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BHQ has the integrity to not list a country of origin for Quartermaster knives, unlike Knifecenter, who continues to claim they are made in the USA.
 
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Very frequently knives or components are farmed out to a contractor for actual manufacturing rather than being produced in-house. There are many knife companies that don't produce a single thing in-house, and that's not at all out of the ordinary. They still orchestrate the entire process, which is much more complicated than just "making the thing". Design houses are best considered "producers" of the knives rather than the manufacturers.
 
Rykjeklut said:
Is this gonna devolve in to a "China bad" thread?
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Why did you? Not about China or Reate. It is about person or company claiming to be the manufacturer and another company is in fact making a knife. Bad things can come from this like the materials stated are not the ones used. Who warrants the product if there is a manufactured defect? A warranty is no better than a persons word.
 
I think its pretty common knowledge the pena x series line is made by Reate. Just about every major dealer site I checked states this without any attempt to conceal who is making the x series even blade hq.
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jwh720 said:
I think its pretty common knowledge the pena x series line is made by Reate. Just about every major dealer site I checked states this without any attempt to conceal who is making the x series even blade hq.
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As it turns out, bhq lists these knives accurately (all but one which is a simple mistake), they even disclose who makes them on the brand page (with a hyperlink to reate no less).

So this whole thread was for not.
 
craytab said:
As it turns out, bhq lists these knives accurately (all but one which is a simple mistake), they even disclose who makes them on the brand page (with a hyperlink to reate no less).

So this whole thread was for not.
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My purpose as I indicated in the original thread is to get a discussion about putting a manufacturers name on a product that they do not manufacturer. Just because a person with 21,000 posts dismisses the entire thread as all," for not," is not constructive and certainly adds nothing to the discussion. The Pena knife I addressed in the original post does NOT show the country of origin. I certainly did not scroll through all of the Pena Knifes or the knifes at Blade HQ. If you do not make it don't put your name on it.
 
Obcessed said:
If you do not make it don't put your name on it
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Well, that's a bit reductive. In this case Enrique Pena designed the knives. They are not made in his shop. Should they say Reate somewhere? Possibly. But did you really think for $300 you were getting a knife made by him? Even the Signature Series stuff is not made by him. His name is not on the X-Series as a manufacturer, but as the designer.

Btw, there is a Laconico on the spine of the Alliance Design manufactured EZE, but he did not make the knife. He designed it. Should his name not be on there? Alliance does this for other designers as well. When I bought one I never for a second thought Ray Laconico made it.

I think this info about Reate was easily discoverable.
 
Obcessed said:
My purpose as I indicated in the original thread is to get a discussion about putting a manufacturers name on a product that they do not manufacturer. Just because a person with 21,000 posts dismisses the entire thread as all," for not," is not constructive and certainly adds nothing to the discussion. The Pena knife I addressed in the original post does NOT show the country of origin. I certainly did not scroll through all of the Pena Knifes or the knifes at Blade HQ. If you do not make it don't put your name on it.
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So just because someone with 94 post says " if you didn't make it don't put your name on it." Makes the thread valid? Well better rename that iphone your on because Apple didn't make that or that HP computer or 3/4 of that car your driving. You see how much since your comment makes?

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95% of all electronics are made in china. As is 75% of all car parts. Including all American assembled cars. This includes that high and mighty Tesla. Not china but less then 45% American and even less if you take Canada out if the mix. Screenshot_20191216-213416_Samsung Internet.jpg
 
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Finally some guys with kahonas. Your two cents are important to the original discussion. It is still my belief if you make it you can put your name on it. I fully understand knife designers team up with companies and develop a knife.
Listing 95% of this and 75% of that are nothing more than numbers anyone can pull from anywhere and mean NOTHING. I just wonder how many high knife makers are having a hard time peddling a $800 slip joint and realize the market is in the much lower price range of say $100-$200. The larger vendors should be able to provide this documentation if one is so inclined to dig. In turn the knife designer gets into a collaboration with a manufacturer capable of manufacturing his or her "baby". It all comes down to the preverbal cuts, pun intended, to who gets what. It all comes down to money and the preservation of said funds. Cut away.
 
It is not BladeHQ’s responsibility to tell you the things you do not before you elect to make a purchase. That’s what customer service is for.
 
Obcessed said:
I just wonder how many high knife makers are having a hard time peddling a $800 slip joint and realize the market is in the much lower price range of say $100-$200.
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Obviously it's nice for a designer to license a design to Reate or whoever. Obviously more of those knives can be produced than can customs and they are at a price point that lets folks buy them that either couldn't afford a custom or just would never be in the right place at the right time to get one. A lot of the designers/custom makers doing this are not having a hard time selling customs.

As for BladeHQ, they are far more concerned with maximizing SEO than they are with providing a lot of information.
 
Obcessed said:
My purpose as I indicated in the original thread is to get a discussion about putting a manufacturers name on a product that they do not manufacturer. Just because a person with 21,000 posts dismisses the entire thread as all," for not," is not constructive and certainly adds nothing to the discussion. The Pena knife I addressed in the original post does NOT show the country of origin. I certainly did not scroll through all of the Pena Knifes or the knifes at Blade HQ. If you do not make it don't put your name on it.
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That is a ridiculous proposition. Most knives aren't made by the person who's name is on the blade. Would your world be destroyed to find out that Chris Reeve no longer is affiliated with Chris Reeve Knives?

Just because you didn't look where BHQ clearly listed where and who is making these knives, doesn't mean BHQ or the knife company did anything wrong. And just because you don't understand how OEM manufacturing works, doesn't mean anything needs to change.

This seems to be a you problem that no one else is having a fit about.

So with that, I'm done replying to you on this ridiculous topic.
 
Hickory n steel said:
Buck used to have slipjoints made by Camillus and Shcrade, I believe the imperial frontier series was made by Camillus, Remington knives were manufactured by others for a very long time ( Buck currently makes the bullet knives ) .
Manufacturers have done this for each other for the longest time.

I see no problem with it unless you're just paying more for this other name that's on it.
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Pretty much the way I feel. A seller like BladeHQ might list the maker if they felt it would increase sales. Spyderco has some knives made overseas too. Unlike "tennis shoes", you can generally get a good feel for things based on the price.
 
Private label and contract manufacturing is done all the time in every industry. There are even countless manufacturing firms, arguably the majority of them, that do not do any sales of finished goods under their own name and exclusively work as contract manufacturers. If this comes as a surprise then you have a LOT more to learn about how business works.
 
Hi O Obcessed , As Cray and FortyTwo (and others) have told you, there's really no nefarious intent here. Furthermore, as a knife enthusiast, you'd have read about Pena contracting with Reate to produce his X series in knife periodicals months before they hit the stores. You'd have noticed threads on this forum talking about their impending arrival. A search engine might have led you to reviews where the origin was freely discussed.

Stick around, read a little, learn a lot and enjoy your knives. This isn't an attempt to mislead or deceive. You're taking a single listing that could have been posted in error and making a big fuss over it.

Now, if you want to get all jacked up over clones, stolen designs and knock-offs, I'll be right there by your side! That's a far bigger problem for the knife industry than a perceived lack of manufacturer transparency.
 
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