Ref.: RGRAY's (Rick Gray) recent thread on me - my side of the story

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Let's set the context first: my sale thread is here. RGRAY's GBU thread calling me a low-life (now locked) is here.

I'd first like to address why I chose to sell the light to the "interested" party (awareunlikeu), and not RGRAY (though he had a firm "I'll take it" posted): awareunlikeu sent me a PM seeking clarification on a critical piece of information that I had left out - approximate runtime. I realized the multi-mode nature (low and high) was missing from my post too. I replied and updated my post simultaneously. It was only fair to wait for awareunlikeu to confirm, considering important information that may swing a buying decision was missing from my sale thread.

Meanwhile, RGRAY posted a firm I'll take it, to which I replied with the PM that he has publicized in the negative GBU thread. In a span of about 40 minutes, he made four posts to my thread and sent me four PM's about my being unfair, not sticking to my conditions, etc. His impatience and rudeness is evident from his posts in the sale thread. Unlike his claims of making him wait two hours, my two PM's to RGRAY are exactly an hour and 10 minutes apart (6.49pm and 7.59pm PST), with his final PM arriving at 8.05pm PST in my inbox (foul words edited by me):

RGRAY said:
-Amarendra,
You did not evem follow your owe rules, Conditions of sale
First "I'll take it" via email/PM/post gets it.
You are a liar and a low life.
I will put this in the good, bad and ugly because you deserve it.

F*** Y**
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As for those who think I violated my own rules - the disclaimer "I reserve the right to refuse sale to anyone without stipulating any reason" is reserved for exceptional situations (which are thankfully, rare). This was the first time I had to invoke it, and hopefully also the last. Not everyone can be pleased all the time, and I am perfectly okay with that. Thanks to the excellent folks on bladeforums and the moderators, who made me aware of the thread and added a balanced perspective.

RGRAY, there was certainly no need for so much of negativity. There are many things in a deal that are not immediately evident - jumping to conclusions without this information is tricky and almost always causes problems to both sides. There is a communication etiquette, and foul language and impatience are certainly not a part of it. I hope you get a chance to buy the Mako II from someone soon, good luck!
 
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RGRAY came off as a complete psycho the from the very first sentence of his GBU thread. Your selling behavior was perfectly acceptable. Potential buyers shouldn't be penalized for asking a clarifying question about a sales item just because lunatics like RGRAY storm into the room with an "i'll take it!"
 
Thanks for giving us the other side of the story. After reading it, as well as the original for sale thread, I don't see where you did anything wrong or unethical. I apologize for jumping to conclusions based solely on RGRAY's account. I should know better.

His comments and overall behavior were certainly inappropriate. Looks to me like you made the right decision.
 
As always, there's 3 sides to every story. This story makes more sense.

One also needs to take into consideration "other circumstances". Now, I'm not saying these occurred in this instance. But....

An hour, 2 hours, 3 hours, piffle - no big deal. Stuff happens. I was a VOLUNTEER Firefighter/EMT for 20 plus years. There was many a time I would post something on a BBS and before a response was made, get a call-out and not be able to get back to a computer for 1 to 18 hours. Also some people have a life beyond the computer. I may post a query and then go do something that I consider important enough to be done and be away from the computer for a while. It's called a real life. Some folks need to get one.

Back when I worked retail sales, the first customer was taken care of before I moved on to a second customer. In this case it appears than Choombak was doing just that... taking care of the first customer. rgary was 2nd in line. The first customer bought what was offered after getting his/her questions answered.

Mountains and Molehills.

As my father used to say --- "They got the same clothes to get glad in that they got mad in."
 
I didn't care about the flashlight.

I wanted to know what does the first I'll take it means?

Apparently to some it means nothing.

Say what you want.
 
RGRAY said:
I didn't care about the flashlight.

I wanted to know what does the first I'll take it means?

Apparently to some it means nothing.

Say what you want.
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You've stated this very thing over and over ad nauseum. Time to let it go and move on.
 
So waiting over an hour is ok and it was two hours from his question (8:57 to10:59).

I think we should stop saying first I'll take it gets it and just say I reserve the right.

awareunlikeu Interested. Let me look up specs "right quick"

I would have said, OK, but if someone posts I'll take it he gets it.
 
RGRAY said:
So waiting over an hour is ok and it was two hours from his question (8:57 to10:59).

I think we should stop saying first I'll take it gets it and just say I reserve the right.

awareunlikeu Interested. Let me look up specs "right quick"

I would have said, OK, but if someone posts I'll take it he gets it.
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You get to do that when it's YOUR sales thread. Besides, you originally stated it was TWO hours. You got called on it. Give it up.

The entitlement is strong in this one....
 
As indicated on the other thread, I don't agree with Rick's approach but I understand his position. Just don't agree with names,cursing and such. On those points you are correct.The bottom line is it was your call to make, I understand your side you've shared though I still think it wasn't the right choice. The missing information wasn't a big enough issue to keep the next member from posting I'll take it. By trying to be fair to one, you were unfair to the other. Is this problem worth all these threads or time? No not really. Anywhoo, like I said before I would have just moved along maybe sent a cordial pm disagreeing with your decision and left it alone. At the end of the day you made a judgement call, it is what it is.
 
choombak said:
Let's set the context first:....................
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I'm glad you posted this, I do understand why you did what you did. And even if I didn't, RGRAY had no business at all calling you a lowlife and posting your real name. I know who I'll do business with in the future, and who I won't. ;)
 
RGRAY said:
So an hour and 10 minutes is ok? lol

Like I said, lets stop saying first I'll take it gets it.
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He was doing the other interested party a courtesy. Have you ever heard of "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you"?
 
Sounds like Choombak may have tried too hard to err on the side of fairness, but it definitely sounds like most of the vitriol isn't really because of what Choombak did, it's because RGRAY missed on a flashlight many times and is venting. Just my take.
 
If you want to keep on digging this pit for yourself Rick, be my guest. Prepare to enjoy he fruits of your labor though.
 
TOMBSTONE said:
As indicated on the other thread, I don't agree with Rick's approach but I understand his position. Just don't agree with names,cursing and such. On those points you are correct.The bottom line is it was your call to make, I understand your side you've shared though I still think it wasn't the right choice. The missing information wasn't a big enough issue to keep the next member from posting I'll take it. By trying to be fair to one, you were unfair to the other. Is this problem worth all these threads or time? No not really. Anywhoo, like I said before I would have just moved along maybe sent a cordial pm disagreeing with your decision and left it alone. At the end of the day you made a judgement call, it is what it is.
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Thanks for your perspective, Tombstone. When someone expresses an interest, and I have left out information from my sale thread, I consider it my obligation to provide him/her this information AND wait on a confirmation before moving on. I also politely send a note to the second in line about the ongoing deal.

Here is how I saw it -
awareunlikeu: first "interest", followed up with several PMs' seeking clarification, polite, and was okay letting go of the light seeing RGRAY's drama in the thread.
RGRAY: first firm "take it", arrogant and abusive, battered my sale thread and my PM box. Childish tantrums and entitlement mentality. Bully.

I invoked my right and refused sale to RGRAY, which was also one of the condition laid out in my sale thread. It wasn't that difficult to decide who gets the light. Politeness and a willingness to see the second side goes a long way in building and maintaining a healthy relationship on the forums.
 
Hey man you gotta do what you gotta do. I totally understand that it was what you felt you should do. I appreciate your side of the story.
 
RevDevil said:
If you want to keep on digging this pit for yourself Rick, be my guest. Prepare to enjoy he fruits of your labor though.
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Lone_Wolfe said:
I'm glad you posted this, I do understand why you did what you did. And even if I didn't, RGRAY had no business at all calling you a lowlife and posting your real name. I know who I'll do business with in the future, and who I won't. ;)
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Daddyo16 said:
Thanks for giving us the other side of the story. After reading it, as well as the original for sale thread, I don't see where you did anything wrong or unethical. I apologize for jumping to conclusions based solely on RGRAY's account. I should know better.

His comments and overall behavior were certainly inappropriate. Looks to me like you made the right decision.
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brancron said:
RGRAY came off as a complete psycho the from the very first sentence of his GBU thread. Your selling behavior was perfectly acceptable. Potential buyers shouldn't be penalized for asking a clarifying question about a sales item just because lunatics like RGRAY storm into the room with an "i'll take it!"
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choombak said:
Let's set the context first: my sale thread is here. RGRAY's GBU thread calling me a low-life (now locked) is here.

I'd first like to address why I chose to sell the light to the "interested" party (awareunlikeu), and not RGRAY (though he had a firm "I'll take it" posted): awareunlikeu sent me a PM seeking clarification on a critical piece of information that I had left out - approximate runtime. I realized the multi-mode nature (low and high) was missing from my post too. I replied and updated my post simultaneously. It was only fair to wait for awareunlikeu to confirm, considering important information that may swing a buying decision was missing from my sale thread.

Meanwhile, RGRAY posted a firm I'll take it, to which I replied with the PM that he has publicized in the negative GBU thread. In a span of about 40 minutes, he made four posts to my thread and sent me four PM's about my being unfair, not sticking to my conditions, etc. His impatience and rudeness is evident from his posts in the sale thread. Unlike his claims of making him wait two hours, my two PM's to RGRAY are exactly an hour and 10 minutes apart (6.49pm and 7.59pm PST), with his final PM arriving at 8.05pm PST in my inbox (foul words edited by me):



As for those who think I violated my own rules - the disclaimer "I reserve the right to refuse sale to anyone without stipulating any reason" is reserved for exceptional situations (which are thankfully, rare). This was the first time I had to invoke it, and hopefully also the last. Not everyone cal be pleased all the time, and I am perfectly okay with that. Thanks to the excellent folks on bladeforums and the moderators, who made me aware of the thread and added a balanced perspective.

RGRAY, there was certainly no need for so much of negativity. There are many things in a deal that are not immediately evident - jumping to conclusions without this information is tricky and almost always causes problems to both sides. There is a communication etiquette, and foul language and impatience are certainly not a part of it. I hope you get a chance to buy the Mako II from someone soon, good luck!
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^^^^
These

Getting both sides, & all the facts, just reinforces, what I had already concluded. Defaming a member, who you basically told to F---O--, Mr. Gray, (OVER A STUPID FLASHLIGHT)- was totally uncalled for!
 
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Rick is a good guy, brought to the edge of sanity over a matter of principle.

Believing one is right will do that..................................

While a seller sells to whoever he wants to sell to he/she should expect some crap if he puts "First I'll take it" and then does not. (for whatever reason, it is irrelevant)


Time to let it rest Rick, you going to get an ulcer!!!!
 
No explanation necessary- I believe the truth is self evident. 1 of you 2 are psycho and on my ignore list.
 
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