Reflections for Dec. 7th

[QUOTAs I walked up to him today there was a catch in my throat, I couldn't get out more than "Good Morning Sir", my boss came by and asked what was wrong, I managed to choke it out, she went and spoke to him. 77 years old, that would mean he was born in 1928. Probably not old enough to have seen WWII. Might have seen Korea. Likely to have seen Vietnam, in fact likely to have seen it more than onceE][/QUOTE]

Great post 45-70:thumbup:

My dad is 78 born in '27. He served in Korea in a heavy weapons outpost 30 odd miles NORTH of the 38th. A Bad scene and a long story. But the reason I'm writing is that he was 24 when drafted. But was one year or two too young to make WWII IIRC.
 
Interesting. I knew there was lots of gas used in WWI, but wasn't aware of its use in WWII. Thanks, and thanks to everyone else for the stories.

I think I need to call my uncle J.C. Uncle Jake is competition for the toughest (or, at least, hardest to kill) man alive. Shot, throat cut, parachute streamer (caught in tree before hitting the ground), knocked by car through brick wall, etc.

He was in Korea.

John
 
Interesting to me is it has just been a little over 60 years ago, but now the Japanese and Germans are our pals:thumbup:

The Revloutionary war was over 200 years ago and the British are now our pals:thumbup:

However in the Mid East and some other countries people still hate each other over stuff that happened way longer ago than that:( :thumbdn:

Britian, Japan, Germany and the US are some of the most prosperous countries in the world.:thumbup:

Most of the countries that can never get over stuff are some of the most backward and impoverished:thumbdn:
 
If you guys ever get down to Dallas Texas, come by the cavanaugh flight museum at Addisson airport.
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That is a good place to go, theres some great people up there, and some great planes. Places like that are places that should get a little more attention than they do these days.
 
My dad was a navy radioman stationed at pearl harbour during the war, he never talked much about it. my ship pulled into pearl one year & we saw & saluted the arizona. many ghosts walk there.

we must never forget what happens when you let the politicians & bean counters let our guard down.
 
aproy1101 said:
My uncle Ray was in the chemical mortar batalion that fought with Patton and montgomery in N. Africa, Siscily, and Italy. Fought as support to Darcy's Rangers during the Siscilian invasion. The last beach he stormed was at Anzio.
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Andy, my Dad was in North Africa, Sicily, and Italy, up to Anzio, too. I remember the photos he took there, still in the family collection. He didn't storm any beaches though -- Quartermaster Corps.
 
They may have known each other Esav. My uncles name is Ray Meek and he was from Batesville Mississippi.

You see lots of beach landing scenes in the movies, but can you imagine doing it 5 times?

Spectre, :eek: :eek: :eek: I can't imagine that life. What stories.
 
Dad was from New York City, enlisted before we got into the war, and was sent down to Lousiana to train an outfit being put together there. Practically neighbors! :)

He was alway very proud of the Italian campaign. They tied up a lot of Germans with technically insufficient resources. Besides arming and feeding our troops, he had to find food for the Italians, who had been wiped out by the retreating Germans.

Then he got to Napoli, which infuriated him. The farmers were starving, but up the mountain, the people in the villas were still partying, as if their German friends had never left.

I've read about that part of the war. None of it was much fun. Anzio was horrible. It doesn't get the attention Normandy did, but it wasn't any easier on our guys.
 
I've got a dime that Dad picked up when he went aboard the U.S.S. Nevada after the attack. He said he stepped from a fireship onto the deck with a fire hose & there it was. He got into Pearl about 2 hours after the attack, aboard the U.S.S. Mcfarland. Said they were steaming in at just the right angle to avoid detection by the Japanese planes as they were leaving. Just about every Dec.7th I can remember, he took annual leave & went to the woods by himself after he lowered the flag we had on the house to half-staff. Two uncles & one great-uncle were in in the USMC. All made it home alive, but forever changed. Thank you gentlemen & R.I.P.
 
hollowdweller said:
Interesting to me is it has just been a little over 60 years ago, but now the Japanese and Germans are our pals:thumbup:

The Revloutionary war was over 200 years ago and the British are now our pals:thumbup:

However in the Mid East and some other countries people still hate each other over stuff that happened way longer ago than that:( :thumbdn:

Britian, Japan, Germany and the US are some of the most prosperous countries in the world.:thumbup:

Most of the countries that can never get over stuff are some of the most backward and impoverished:thumbdn:
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Excellent post.
What we must ALL keep in mind is we are not at war WITH Iraq, or Afghanistan, nor will we be at war WITH Iran ( should that happen).
We are at war with the loonies either running, or trying to run, their countries.

In WW2 I'd imagine that a large portion of the soldiiers and support folks, working 7 day shifts here, were themselves German.
We weren't fighting the Germans.. We were fighting the lunatics that occupied it and their brainwashed ( or scared to death) pawns that they controlled.

The kids fighting us now are likely told " fight the infidels or you aren't a muslim, but are an infidel yourself, or we will kill you. "
I'm sure Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini, Napoleon and many others bleated that same rhetoric throughout history.

All of our men and women are volunteers !
God Bless'em !
 
Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.:thumbdn:

Germans bought into WWII for one reason. Inflation was starving them to death. Check the inflation rate in Germany before the war (its a 6 figure number). Their money wasn't worth a cup of piss. We were fighting the Germans. They as a country full of citizens were behind the effort. Yes they were despirate, but they don't get a pass because Hitler was a psycopath. That there is Japanese logic. Bull Shite!:barf: :thumbdn:

Today we are fighting radical islam. It transcends borders and race. This is true, but make no mistake that we went to war with Iraq, Afghanistan, and hopefully real soon Iran. Although I hope we don't occupy Iran and attempt to fix the country up like we have in Iraq. Bombing will accomplish the goal. We aren't going for regime change there either, but to prevent their getting nuclear bombs which they would surely use on us. IMHO while were there we should steal their oil. To Hell with Iran!:barf: :barf: :barf:
 
aproy1101 said:
Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.:thumbdn:

Germans bought into WWII for one reason. Inflation was starving them to death. Check the inflation rate in Germany before the war (its a 6 figure number). Their money wasn't worth a cup of piss. We were fighting the Germans. They as a country full of citizens were behind the effort. Yes they were despirate, but they don't get a pass because Hitler was a psycopath. That there is Japanese logic. Bull Shite!:barf: :thumbdn:

Today we are fighting radical islam. It transcends borders and race. This is true, but make no mistake that we went to war with Iraq, Afghanistan, and hopefully real soon Iran. Although I hope we don't occupy Iran and attempt to fix the country up like we have in Iraq. Bombing will accomplish the goal. We aren't going for regime change there either, but to prevent their getting nuclear bombs which they would surely use on us. IMHO while were there we should steal their oil. To Hell with Iran!:barf: :barf: :barf:
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You need to run for office !
You might win !
You are " hopeful" we bomb Iran.
Yes. Let's steal their oil !
G_d bless the GOP !

I'll leave it at that.................
 
My Dad was a pilot during WWII. His boyhood best friend was an Marine Infantry Platoon Leader on Iwo Jima (they remained best friends until my father's passing last year). Both my Uncles served in the Navy. My Aunt was a volunteer nurse in the ETO.

In around 1973, we went to NM to ski Cloudcroft. While waiting for transport, my brother and I noticed a B-17 at Alamagordo Airport. It turned out to be a converted Forestry Service aircraft. We ran back and told Dad, whom mosied over to check it out. He got "that look" in his eyes, memories flooding, I am sure. He didn't say much, just talked briefly to a guy there, and we went to get on the transport that had arrived. He later told me after he retired, flying was his job, and he didn't really miss it. From that look in his eyes that day, I am not so sure.

DaddyDett
 
Ernie2525 said:
You need to run for office !
You might win !
You are " hopeful" we bomb Iran.
Yes. Let's steal their oil !
G_d bless the GOP !

I'll leave it at that.................
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You can leave it however ***** you want.:mad: I'm not going to let you give the Germans a pass here.:barf: You can avoid my argument, but I'm still gonna make it. ;)

Yes I hope we bomb Iran's nuclear facility. They will bomb us if they get a bomb. The left has no plan for dealing with the problem. I've voted against Bush both times, but I wish I hadn't now. The Dems are hoping we loose the war and thats damn unexcusable. :barf:

I wish we were sucking the oil out of Iraq's sand:p , we aren't:grumpy: , and I hope we suck the oil out from under Iran if we have to fight them.:thumbdn: Spoils go to the victor. This idea of a "humane" war where we take the country in as a fix-er-upper job is purely public school stupidity.:thumbdn: :thumbdn: :thumbdn:

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aproy1101 said:
Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.:thumbdn:

Germans bought into WWII for one reason. Inflation was starving them to death. Check the inflation rate in Germany before the war (its a 6 figure number). Their money wasn't worth a cup of piss.
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If one does check, he will find that the period of hyperinflation was when the initial Nazi attemot to take power by force failed and Adolf went to jail. He was voted into power years later in a period of relative prosperity.

We were fighting the Germans. They as a country full of citizens were behind the effort.
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Quite true. German resistance to the Nazis was minimal. Most rationalized service to the war effort as loyalty to Germany.


Yes they were desperate, but they don't get a pass because Hitler was a psycopath. That there is Japanese logic. Bull Shite!:barf: :thumbdn:

As for hoping for another wear, I hope for some other solution. As a nation, we have a record of unwillingness to sustain large, prolonged military efforts.
We like short, victorious wars.

And "steal" their oil? That's what Hitler and Saddam were about. I don't live in such a nation.
 
Ernie2525 said:
You need to run for office !
You might win !
You are " hopeful" we bomb Iran.
Yes. Let's steal their oil !
G_d bless the GOP !

I'll leave it at that.................
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The official policy of the United States to change the regime in Iraq was supported by both major political parties ----- when proposed by President Clinton.

I am with you 100% in opposing war as a first option or looting as national policy.
 
Who is promoting war as a first option? We've been dancing with these maniaks for years. They have a national holiday celebrating the hostage crisis. They are developing a nuclear bomb, deny Israel's right to exsist (in fact have called for them to be wiped from the map), deny the holocaust ever happened, and have a terrorist agenda. They would support a nuclear attack by Islamists on the US, don't you think?

As for their oil, and us taking it, I don't get your argument against it. We're going to be blamed for taking it regardless, like we are now in Iraq. We can't afford another war like the Iraq one. Should we just lay back and allow a city to be destroyed, or should we take the oil to pay ourselves off for saving the world from economic fallout of such an attack? Maybe we should stop paying UN dues, toss their asses out, and sell the building to pay for the safety of America.

These issues are debatable. What is not debatable is that we went to war with Germany and its people were neck deep in that war. That blame it on Hitler mentality is bogus.
 
aproy1101 said:
These issues are debatable. What is not debatable is that we went to war with Germany and its people were neck deep in that war. That blame it on Hitler mentality is bogus.
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Actually... historically, you could blame it on the Treaty of Versailles. Or the French. Conditions that enabled Hitler's rise to power in one of the most highly educated countries in world history were put into effect by castrating their economy, their sovereignty, their pride.

Deprevation opens all kinds of unplesant doors for totalitarian and oppressive regimes to step in. It makes populations vulnerable to dangerous ideologies that they otherwise might not be. Post WWI Germany should be a warning to us about exacting revenge too strongly... By any means.

Remember, members of the German brass attempted to off Der Fuher in July 1944. German support of Hitler and the Nazi party was not anywhere near complete.
 
Nope. The French are NOT responsible for German behavior relating to WWII. They may have been one of the causes for the German condition, but the GERMANS, ITALIANS, and JAPANESE are RESPONSIBLE for WWII.

Don't make excuses for them. They were wrong.
 
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