rekat escalator

I like the design of the Escalator and I'll doubtlessly be buying a few for myself.

What I like most about it, though, is that it reminds us all that you don't have to open a folding knife to use it. Many folding knives make great impact weapons when folded. The Benchmade AFCK is an excellent example.

So, even if you haven't got an Escalator yet, don't forget to practice with your knife closed as well as open.

Chuck Gollnick
 
sorry about the Web site..its under construction and will send you to the NEW site of CSSD/SC..a friend who was helping me took my money THEN cleared my website..NICE GUY!... Combatkido..hhhmmm
anyways.. you can get the knife from me or wait from REKAT. The demand was / is bigger than we thought and its going from hand made to production shortly...
Glad you all like Escalator.
It will be in BLADE magazine soon and TACTICAL KNIVES magazine, Filipino Martial Arts magazine already did an article on it.
Inside Kung Fu will be doing several write ups on it.
YES..it helps martial arts usage better than any other knife made including the new carnivore..It was designed to do martial arts concepts of combat...IMMEDIATELY.. no its not like Jot in that Jots design was done to accomodate the opening hole, while the ESCALATOR is patented (mechanical & design)for KINETIC opening using the ramp as the energy transfer point. Yes,,the Jot could be used this way in some cases to OPEN it but it is not designed for : opening kinetically, pinching, grabbing, striking, or other usages that are martial arts in nature.
The FBI and others like the corrections dept want the Escalator training drone as a close range medium impact tool..it really works! It was just demoed for law enforcement at TREXPO WEST.., the Tactical response Exposition for law enforcement & military..
As for the larger the blade ther better? Hey in Florida I can own just about anything, I can almost carry just about anything but god help me if I use it.No jury is going to give me a break..You think an inch is a big difference? maybe in class it is or demos..
In combat irs over before you know it..Ranges go from "long" to "up close n personal" too fast. You think you could do better with bigger blade? maybe.. Bigger by MANY inches is best..Like a RANDAL 1-7 or a Helles Belles Bowie but a couple of inches?
You call cutting rope a test? Ok..its pat of one. Flesh and clothing cut differently, especially with intent. Any size will cause GREAT damage. The ESCALATOR is NOT a combat knife, its not a fighter..its an edged tool that allows for escalation of force, carries an amazing amount of variable pain compliance and has one hell of a blade shape, while maintaing that "under three inch" requirement that I impose..
Its not for veryone..no knife is, nothing is for all people. A german shepard isn't the best at dog EVERYTHING, nor is a Subaru the best car at everything but I'd own either one and bet my life on both..
Bob Taylor and I have dropped many a big guy at the recent knife shows etc with the little escalator..and we never cut them..though of course the option was/ is there. Unfortunately for all involved my personal feelings of the realities of street combat are reflected in my knife..Cutting is only a battle, the war continues in court.
Many of us have decided from experience in MANY areas that "less is more"...
from conceptual usage to physical reality..
I don't expect to convert ANYONE..
Bill Bagwell and I openly disagree on blade size. I think Bill is a great guy and a personal freind we just disagree on blade size..He thinks why carry a handgernade when you can carry a hydrogen bomb.. I rather carry a cruise missle and go for that specific target..personal choice.
As for universal carry I can't make it bigger and sell it or recommend it in other countries if its OVER three inches, hence the 2 15/16ths size of the blade!Germany, Spain, england for example want under three inches..Australia will be that as soon as they finish their knife/ blade size wars in parliament..
Hope I haven't offended anyone..
Be well..have a great day..thanks again for all the interest in the escalator.
 
Bram
I hate to correct you but the mechinical patent and design patent are patent pending. The way the U.S. Patent office is running I don't expect a first responce until late this year.

Bob Taylor
 
Hey, regarding blade size, with my techniques and lousy footwork, I would rather carry a platoon of marines with me, but I get funny looks when people see me like that. Seriously, I would rather carry big versus small any day, but the reality in Illinois (Chicago Urban) is that eleven inches will go far at last call/ closing time when you are trying to get that elizavbeth Hurley lookalike into your car for a nightcap, but really poorly during a routine traffic stop. Bram, you can never change anyone's mind, but don't stop trying...you have always provided me with great insight and I highly recommend anyone else out there with questions be they specific or general to e-mail or post to him. I have yet to regret doing so in the past year. The Escalator is not what I carry every day for reasons I have mentioned here before, but as I just read above, it is a nice inspirational tool for getting the most out of any folder. (impact!!) It is handlewise what I would love to see in a lightweight version (hint) I can tear a heavybag off its chain--I DO NOT NEED ADDITIONAL WEIGHT IN THE KNIFE!! Perhaps an titanium handle with rough micarta scales, okay I'm fishing for another custom here. Bigger blade (High Carbon), maybe five inches, clip point, ask me for handle input...some sort of cool shoulder rig...I'm breathing hard here...
Train cruel, stay cool, if you got two legs run first.
Parker
 
My mistake Bob...
Jot knife still wasn't designed to open kinetically; it was designed to open with the Spyderco hole. Place thumb in hole and open knife. Escalator was DESIGNED to do Filipino nerve / limb destructions and then open..
Bob: IS THAT STATED BETTER???

 
Sounds like the Escalator needs to come with a video.
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Harv
 
If one does martial arts such as filipino arts, Indoneasian arts, Thai arts ..etc..Kenpo, JuJitsu, KyshuJitsu Pressure Point, Chin-Na..wing Chun,,hhmmm just about ANY martial art you'll have no problem using an Escalator.
If you can do the principes of motion: "open-close" you can use an Escalator.
If you believe in pain compliance, limb destructions, pinching, and or slam n jam the Escalator will be part of the flow.
A video? one's coming from REKAT soon.Bob and I are working on it. I have a basic one already with my tapes from VIDEO QUEST on TACTICAL fOLDING KNIVES... There will be an instructional guide book as well.
I also do seminars on the use... Best way to find out how to use it..
"leghlaHchu'be'chugh mIn lo'laHbe taj jej."
"A sharp knife is nothing without a sharp eye!"
 
I purchased an Escalator and trainer at the Oregon knife show this last weekend.

While I'm not ready to carry it regularly yet (hence the trainer), I decided,as an experiment, to take it with me to the Portland airport yesterday as I was picking up two friends. I arrived plenty early so that if security turned me back, I could take the knife back to the car and still meet the flight. I just dropped this rather peculiar looking knife into the change tray along with my watch and keys and proceeded through. The knife was handed to me on the other side with no questions.

So, that is good news.

It should be since the FAA regulations allow knives up to four inches and the Escalator really has a rather short blade. But, keep in mind, when going through airport security, that the FAA "regulations" are really just guidelines. The guards have total discretion. Portland airport has posters up around the check points listing the sorts of things your not allowed to carry through complete with pictures in case you're unaware of what dynamite looks like. One specifically listed category is "martial arts devices". The picture shows a butterfly knive, a collapsing baton, throwing knifes, etc. So, if you're asked about your Escalator while crossing airport security, I'd be careful not to explain it as a martial arts device.

Chuck
 
Well folks REKAT and I are working on a "How To use the ESCALATOR" tape. Bob and REKAT and I have discussed several changes, slight modifications to further enhance the Escalators ability to function as a modern day Balisong..
I will not have a larger bladed Escalator for I know this knife can slam n jam with the best of them. It doesn't need a bigger blade.
Thanks to all of you that have Escalators and appreciate what its capable of.
REMEMBER: use the training drone, it will save your arms and the arms and bnody of your training partner...
Seems most of my students and friends have all cut the legs of their pants open trying kinetic openings on the leg...HEY..think alittle first.." no two objects can occupy te same space at the same time." if one pulls the Escalator from front to back on ones leg, WHILE applying pressure the blade has nowhere to go when it opens BUT into ones own leg..Yes it will open and yes it will cut.
I would hold my left palm up, and pull down anf through with the ESCALATOR till I got the feel of how it opens, Reverse your palm to down, put knife in reverse grip and pull up till you get the feell of opening it..OK?
Watch for the tapes which will show the tricks of using an Escalator properly..
There is a basic tape out now which you can get from me as well as step by step still picture sets..(12 photos per sheet)..
Qapla'
Bram
reH Suvrup tlhIngan SuvwI'
A klingon warrior is always prepared to fight
 
Does it bother anyone else that this thread seems too well choreographed? Thomas Baker, may'qal, David Shor, Andy W, Hapkido, and Thomas Lehmann are all first-time posters, all praising this knife, all out of the blue.
I think I'll wait.



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Wolf
Always store beer in a dark place.


 
I would see your point except that Thomas Baker, may'qal, David Shor, Andy W, Hapkido, and Thomas Lehmann have all admited to being assoicated with Bram Frank. Bet my dad would speak highly of my knives. Look at the other forums and see that it happens everywhere. Me, I can plead inocent I don't know these people and have not solicited anyone to post anything anywhere. Spark and Mike I can vouch for, Bram and I had the pleasure to make them make those funny faces.

Bob Taylor

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Some days it's not worth chewing through the restraints and escaping.
 
Wolf,

Maybe Bram and I can demonstrate the knife LIVE at the Blade Show.

Bram,

You need to come to Jax one day so we can get some good pics. And you need to host your site with us
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Also did you get my email?

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Mike Turber
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Wolf, I have never met Bram face to face, have never met any of the folks above. I bought the knife sight unseen from Bram after he told me about it via e-mail and we discussed it this way. I sent the guy $200.00 pre-paid and waited for about five months, all the while my sweetie hounding me about "where is the knife". That trust in him was well worth it, the knife was well worth it and should you need further confirmation of theis tool and its value or construction, please e-mail me directly.

Sure, these guys may say things about it that would make Bram blush, but if you look around the forum my name is all over the place. I do not make knives. I sell houses and mortgages for a living. I have nothing to gain here but a sense of comraderie here, a feeling that maybe I am not the only one that gets this way about a few bits of metal and wood or plastic stuck together into a blindingly simple machine. I simply love well made knives, I train with them in martial and counter martial applications, carry several in my daily life and I think that basically everyone here is the same way. Sure Bob Taylor and Bram have something to gain from selling the knives, but if they built it, they should be okay to plug it. Anyone else, Andy Sanford I have seen his name in several publications as being a well qualified individual to instruct you, myself or virtually anyone we know in how to better maintain their well being in an uncertain worl. Thomas Lehman and I have exchanged posts and e-mail regarding views and posture on self-protection. Bob Taylor has been designing excellent combat and utility knives for some time and co-designed the Warrior (prototype for Hobbit Warrior) with Randy Wanner, training partner and friend of Mike Echannis.
These are only the names I remember from reading the thread thru again quickly.

I do not wish to take more HTML or whatever this thing runs on, but please understand that if these guys tell you this is a good tool for the purpose, you should not brush it off as sales literature. Sorry if I have been preachy.
 
Wolf... i meet lots of people in my line of work. I travel around the world teaching blunt & edged weapon usage. I spent alot of time dreaming up a martial aryts knife that would NOT TAKE someones life as the only recourse. I wanted to give back to the arts annd to the knife culture that I have come to love and is my life. Yes..sometimes I may be naive, or old fashioned.. but thats me..
I am proud that Bob Taylor was willing to make my knife and that I can call Bob taylor one of my close friends..Bob and I met by being in each others faces sparring with his training hobbits..( eric Remmen called them weapons to themselves) Bob and I met by spilling blood. ( Bob spilled mine!) THEN I got Bobs respect and Bob checked out me and my knives...
I have met and trained thousands of people who like my knives.. I could go on the thread and NAME NAMES of all th Eskrima. Arnis and Kali instructors as well as FAMOUS martial artists who think the Escalator is tops and a truly unique fighting tool..BUT I DON'T.. everyone of these people is HAPPY with the training and with their Escalators...Bob Taylor and I design REAL blades..for real usage...We don't ask for nor need others to sell our stuff.. But I am proud that my design and Bob's product & mine does as it says..You wait my friend..no problem..read about it in BLADE,TACTICAL KNIVES and soon the other Martial arts Magazines..Not my doing..The ESCALATOR works..
I'm really happy that those that wrote in ARE MARTIAL ARTISTS who care an lot about real time combat...unlike alot of others.
Several INCLUDING my personal Student David said they had their doubts about the knife till they put it in their hands..the correct attitude..They shouyldn't believe me BECAUSE I'm their teacher or they experienced me at a seminar..Reality speaks alot!
My Escalator isn't for everyone..If its not for you ..hey thats cool. I resent the attitude that I or others would USE this forum in an uneythical way..Mike Turber is an old friend..I'd never take advantage of ANYONE ESPECIALLY a friend that way..
The man who started the thread met me while I was delivering the Escalator to the seminar instructor where he was participating..The knife impressed him..and his friends and hes a real slam n jammer..
Make your own decision,,,come se me..I'll show you Escalator stuff..Go see Bob or anyone who has one...
Sorry for the Tirade...
YES>>I AM A KLINGON AND I TAKE HONOR VERY SERIOUSLY!
tlhIngan quv datIchDI' Seng yIghuH!
"when you insult a Klingon's honor, prepare for trouble!"
have a great day....

 
Having seen what the escalator can do, and having experienced the bruises first hand just from the trainer, I can and will give my full support for this product. I'm not a guru, or a master or a serious martial artist, but I know what I see and feel, and even have the photo's to back it up (see the Knowledge Base section: REKAT SHOT show pictures).

This knife is a great idea, and with the right training, is a very effective, NON LETHAL tool, with the option of deadly force. You have to see it to believe it, and like Mike said, we'll be happy to host demonstrations of it at the Blade Show. If there's enough interest, we may even get Bram to offer training sessions.

This isn't a rigged thread. These people are real, and believe in the product. Email them yourself and ask about it. Lord knows I believe in it after I saw what it could do to me with relatively little effort.

Spark

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Guys -
Thanks for the replies. I don't think it is a rigged thread either, now. When it first appeared, though, it set off an 'infomercial alarm' bell for me. All I could tell, initially, about some of the people posting was that I hadn't seen them here before.
Now I understand that there is *quite* a lot that I don't know about these people, and maybe I should shut up and listen a bit!
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Wolf
Always store beer in a dark place.


 
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