Remember when "lock stick" was a good thing?

KBA said:
Wasn't there a recent thread on hipsters and knives? This could explain the complaining.

Just joking hipsters

In all seriousness people, myself included at times, have stopped seeing knives as tools and more so as "art," a status symbol, a possession of value.

No offense to the ladies here but men, just in general, are not the same as they were 30 years ago. They spend just as much time on their looks as my mom did before church. Men work less with their hands and are more, of a lack of a better way, feminine.

(Lol. Side note Japan has introduced male curriculum to their students in fear the boys are growing up to soft)

People work less with there hands and thus softer hands. For example there is a thread on how "sharp" Spyderco holes are that just made me cringe.

Then you have a generation or two of spoilt entitled kids who have grown up in 1st world problems

This just my opinion though with a nugget of truth.
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Actually, speaking as a Millennial, that statement is PURE fact. Men are not men anymore.

I saw the Spyderco hole thread too, and was reminded for the gazillionth time that I am ashamed to be associated with the same group as the complete wimps that are taking over our country.

There are no words.
 
I just hate that the PSI needed to get my knife clipped to my pocket is so high! I can't tell you how many nails I've damaged trying to pry these medieval torture devises known as pocket clips open far enough to clip onto my skinny jeans. I think we need some type of hinged design? The struggle is real!!!! :mad:

Gotta go, I'm late for my Many/Pedy.
 
flicking open knives hard wasn't such a big thing back then and now it's all the time. heck people admit to sitting on their couch watching tv and flicking open and close their knives like some sort of nervous habit or therapy activity? i find it weird and odd.....too each their own, so be it. so titanium liner locks will stick under harder flick opens or even wave opens fast and hard. i've never had one be a problem i couldn't close, but i guess some folks do as i see it posted a lot also. maybe it's cause they can't repeatedly flick and open and closed their knives while sitting and watching tv or whatever easily..... so the sticky lock ruins the therapy/nervous habit thing that i don't get?
 
aleforme said:
I just hate that the PSI needed to get my knife clipped to my pocket is so high! I can't tell you how many nails I've damaged trying to pry these medieval torture devises known as pocket clips open far enough to clip onto my skinny jeans. I think we need some type of hinged design? The struggle is real!!!! :mad:

Gotta go, I'm late for my Many/Pedy.
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Well then,

You sir, need a Deep Throat, er, I mean Deep Carry pocket clip. Preferably a blue anodized one that you got on sale for the smashing price of 173 dollars! It will match your blue hanky, blue vape, blue zippo (even tho you don't smoke), blue beads, blue mini pry bar, and blue titanium pocket spinner so you can post a picture of everything you carry but don't ever use!

And you need mustache wax too. Blue, preferably.
😂
 
This could have been an excellent discussion regarding the positive merits of lockstick vs today's aversion to it. Sadly it's already derailed with comments like "wussies, ladies, wimps, hipsters, real men, etc..."

The subliminal chest thumping just leads to name calling, hurt feelings and closed threads instead of worthwhile discussion... alas this is the internet.
 
Jamesh Bond said:
Well then,

You sir, need a Deep Throat, er, I mean Deep Carry pocket clip. Preferably a blue anodized one that you got on sale for the smashing price of 173 dollars! It will match your blue hanky, blue vape, blue zippo (even tho you don't smoke), blue beads, blue mini pry bar, and blue titanium pocket spinner so you can post a picture of everything you carry but don't ever use!

And you need mustache wax too. Blue, preferably.
😂
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Pffft....... Whatever, I don't have a mustache......:rolleyes:
 
austonh said:
This could have been an excellent discussion regarding the positive merits of lockstick vs today's aversion to it. Sadly it's already derailed with comments like "wussies, ladies, wimps, hipsters, real men, etc..."

The subliminal chest thumping just leads to name calling, hurt feelings and closed threads instead of worthwhile discussion... alas this is the internet.
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Agreed. I was not chest bumping only stating a point. Also, the topic was not just on lock stick but on the complaining of things like lock stick. Lock stick was used as an example.
 
With the trend toward bearings and flippers, opening action is as important as ever. Closing action is important to people too. So lock stick is seen as bad. Also, one could argue that lock stick is a symptom of poor manufacturing where the geometry of the lockbar to tang is not right. I'm fine with a little lock stick. I also like a very strongly sprung lockbar.
 
Emre said:
One thing I can't understand is the desire for "early lockup" on a folder.

People show pictures with maybe 1/2 or 1/3 of the lock bar resting against the blade tang and they're super excited about their early lockup.

Why wouldn't you want the entire lock bar surface to engage? Is his really the time and place for "less is more" minimalism?
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I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks this way. It never made sense to me either. I see people comment and brag about the precision and craftsmanship on their knife that has early lock up. Just scares me. I like my fingers.
 
austonh said:
This could have been an excellent discussion regarding the positive merits of lockstick vs today's aversion to it. Sadly it's already derailed with comments like "wussies, ladies, wimps, hipsters, real men, etc..."

The subliminal chest thumping just leads to name calling, hurt feelings and closed threads instead of worthwhile discussion... alas this is the internet.
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I think that was the point of the original posts. His words seemed to encourage this type of thread. It's not directed at any one member so no harm. It's all good fun and lighthearted.
 
I don't like sticky locks and I certainly don't see them as a feature. There's no reason for it as far as I can see. I don't believe stickiness adds to the effectiveness of the lock -- not the way I use frame and liner locks -- and in my opinion speaks to a design weakness. It's easy enough to keep stickiness out of a folder by engineering tight tolerances on a steel insert or carbidized titanium lock bar which is not too much to ask for on the expensive knives I buy. It made me look down my nose at the Spyderco K2, which has been mentioned in this thread. I managed to work out most of the stickiness in mine but don't feel like I should have had to on a knife that cost me as much as that one did.

I also laugh at anyone who measures their manliness by how they like their knives to work. LOL.
 
I try to stay away from frame-sprung and liner-sprung knives because of all the numerous associated issues such as: interface geometry, wear rate, percentage of lockup, lock stick, break-in periods, galling, presentation side versus non-presentation side, and so on.

That being said I do own and use (in the kitchen) a great knife that is designed to have lock stick, the previously mentioned Spyderco K2. The Gayle Bradley 1 is also an awesome knife. Both of these great knives were unfortunately discontinued partly due to issues the OP mentions; therefore I would agree with his main point.
 
KBA said:
Wasn't there a recent thread on hipsters and knives? This could explain the complaining.

Just joking hipsters

In all seriousness people, myself included at times, have stopped seeing knives as tools and more so as "art," a status symbol, a possession of value.

No offense to the ladies here but men, just in general, are not the same as they were 30 years ago. They spend just as much time on their looks as my mom did before church. Men work less with their hands and are more, of a lack of a better way, feminine.

(Lol. Side note Japan has introduced male curriculum to their students in fear the boys are growing up to soft)

People work less with there hands and thus softer hands. For example there is a thread on how "sharp" Spyderco holes are that just made me cringe.

Then you have a generation or two of spoilt entitled kids who have grown up in 1st world problems

This just my opinion though with a nugget of truth.
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I filed my spydie hole because I cut the end of my thumb off with a meat slicer. Believe it or not some of us have reasons we do what we do that go beyond being a wuss.
 
Jamesh Bond said:
Actually, speaking as a Millennial, that statement is PURE fact. Men are not men anymore.

I saw the Spyderco hole thread too, and was reminded for the gazillionth time that I am ashamed to be associated with the same group as the complete wimps that are taking over our country.

There are no words.
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That was me. 1 - it was actually taking my fingernail OFF. (Which is not very nice) 2 - I was tinkering/just making it nicer. 3 - I work in manufacturing with my hands and I'm sure they're more manly than yours.
What's wrong with wanting your knife smooth? (Literally and figuratively)
 
GermanyChris said:
I filed my spydie hole because I cut the end of my thumb off with a meat slicer. Believe it or not some of us have reasons we do what we do that go beyond being a wuss.
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Understood. My comment was not directed to you or at you. I never said YOU as an individual were weak. The idea in general that some complain over just made made me cringe. That's the truth.

AmosPaul said:
I try to stay away from frame-sprung and liner-sprung knives because of all the numerous associated issues such as: interface geometry, wear rate, percentage of lockup, lock stick, break-in periods, galling, presentation side versus non-presentation side, and so on.

That being said I do own and use (in the kitchen) a great knife that is designed to have lock stick, the previously mentioned Spyderco K2. The Gayle Bradley 1 is also an awesome knife. Both of these great knives were unfortunately discontinued partly due to issues the OP mentions; therefore I would agree with his main point.
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I'm glad you brought up the Gayle Bradley line. I've been on the fence with this one. I love the look of the GB2 but want the lock up of the GB1. I personally don't give much thought to the perfections or imperfections of my knives. Yet, I haven't bought the GB bc/ of
this.
 
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