Remember when "lock stick" was a good thing?

[PURPLEDC]

Maybe because I have used them for years for real life tasks, and even abusive ones with zero issues whatsoever?
I guess if I based my opinions on what some guys I don't know for most part wrote on the internet, then I'd be worried.
Since I base my opinions on my own experience--especially when I have years of experiences to base those opinions on--I am not worried at all.





And that's just some.

But yeah, I guess I'll start worrying because of some internet complaints.

I dont think you have anything to start worrying about . Especially when you consider most of the anti framelock people always manage to forget a critical component to the reinforcement of such a lock. Their hand. Its the only lock that i know of which a proper grip on a knife improves the effectiveness of the lock. Yet everytime i see someone failing a frame lock either someone isnt holding it and if they are its from the sides and smacking the spine on a hard object to prove that using a tool improperly will cause a failure.

 

[Lycosa]

ooh! Very impressed, Stabby.
Thanks, man.
rolf

 

[Aias]

Maybe because I have used them for years for real life tasks, and even abusive ones with zero issues whatsoever?
I guess if I based my opinions on what some guys I don't know for most part wrote on the internet, then I'd be worried.
Since I base my opinions on my own experience--especially when I have years of experiences to base those opinions on--I am not worried at all.


But yeah, I guess I'll start worrying because of some internet complaints.

I remember those pics and reviews... they always bring a smile to my face. Well done man :thumbup:

 

[stabman]

I remember those pics and reviews... they always bring a smile to my face. Well done man :thumbup:

Thanks.

My take on locks is just don't buy low quality knives.
Quality liner and frame-locks, back-locks, AXIS, compression and Tri-Ad, they all work well.

 

[Todd21969]

Since I base my opinions on my own experience--especially when I have years of experiences to base those opinions on--I am not worried at all.

How dare you actually try a knife to see if it works for you. You're supposed to rely on YouTube and forums ONLY. [emoji6]

Have to agree with your other lock observations also.

I myself have used frame locks, liner, compression, AXIS, CBBL, and lock backs without issue. Never tried a triad lock.

 

[stabman]

I myself have used frame locks, liner, compression, AXIS, CBBL, and lock backs without issue. Never tried a triad lock.

If you like a design with the Tri-Ad lock, I say go for it.
Originally I thought it was just a lock-back with an added stop pin, but I was wrong (Yep, I can admit when I am wrong ).

It is actually a very good design of lock.
Would I say it's the "best"?
Nope, but it is a good design that is very, very strong.

 

[crom]

Stab man is that an artificial hip joint ball???

 

[stabman]

Stab man is that an artificial hip joint ball???

If it's what I think you're looking at, it's a brass hame, which I used to make a walking stick for my dad for last Father's Day.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1407462-Father-s-Day-with-knives-a-stick-and-a-boat!

 

[whp]

Good morning James! The thread that keeps on giving. :thumbup:

Thanks for another laugh...just before I head out the door for a long day at work trying to do my part in making, "America Great Again." :thumbup:

As for those "precious" titanium pry bars... I myself prefer using a gorilla bar, or a flat wonder bar when I'm hanging doors. I've never needed any type of pry bar, for any knife I've used. I just use my very strong, tough, calloused hands...

which reminds me; maybe I do need to use a moisturizing lotion, or something. This lady friend of mine that I was with on Saturday night, kept telling me that my hands were too rough. :couple_inlove:

You brute...

 

[crom]

If it's what I think you're looking at, it's a brass hame, which I used to make a walking stick for my dad for last Father's Day.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1407462-Father-s-Day-with-knives-a-stick-and-a-boat!

Ah ok looks a lot like a replacement hip ball.

 

[stabman]

Ah ok looks a lot like a replacement hip ball.

I'll remember that if I have to do any discount hip surgery.

 

[Jamesh Bond]

Thanks.

My take on locks is just don't buy low quality knives.
Quality liner and frame-locks, back-locks, AXIS, compression and Tri-Ad, they all work well.

I like that ZT.

You bring up another great annoyance:

Crappy quality knives. It's a shame when there's so many good options available for the same price as the crap.

 

[stabman]

I like that ZT.

You bring up another great annoyance:

Crappy quality knives. It's a shame when there's so many good options available for the same price as the crap.

Yep, buyer beware.

Thankfully, it is easier than ever to find out about products these days.
With a little research, one can avoid the crap. :thumbup:

 

[KELAMA]

Pry bars are more adorable when they come with a pocket clip.
rolf

^ Please stop it, Rolf! You had me at Pry bars. :adoration:

Maybe because I have used them for years for real life tasks, and even abusive ones with zero issues whatsoever?
I guess if I based my opinions on what some guys I don't know for most part wrote on the internet, then I'd be worried.
Since I base my opinions on my own experience--especially when I have years of experiences to base those opinions on--I am not worried at all.

^ But you left out the best picture!!! :emptiness:

The one where you stabbed Hitler in the face! :thumbup:

ooh! Very impressed, Stabby.
Thanks, man.
rolf

^ +1

I remember those pics and reviews... they always bring a smile to my face. Well done man :thumbup:

^ Stabman's "12 Days of Medford," will go down as one of Bladeforums all-time classics! :thumbup:

You brute...

^ That's what she said!

Crappy quality knives. It's a shame when there's so many good options available for the same price as the crap.

Yep, buyer beware.
With a little research, one can avoid the crap.

^^
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zs7PmoHpNhA

BladeForums, needs to start infracting the low life's who sell crap knives! :disgust:

 

[VS_Power]

I am old enough to know that each new generation derides the previous ones for some percieved wrong, as do the older generations fault the yonger ones for their alleged imperfections. The good news is that I see both positions as a load of horse plop.

On to lock stick. If I bought a new Mercedes and the driver's door stuck closed, I would be plenty pissed. If I bought a new Volkswagon and the driver's door stuck closed, I would be plenty pissed as well. Some smooth talking salesman/person might try to convince me that the sticking door was a safety feature so I didn't accidently fall out, or that if I continued to struggle with the door that it would eventually 'break-in' and become smoother. Who knows, some might even call me a wuss for complaining.

The point to the above, is that it is not unreasonable to expect a product to perform as advertised, regardless of the price. If I get a sticking lock on a knife, I am going to be pissed off and I don't care if I paid twenty-two dollars or twenty-two hundred dollars. If we are guilty of anything today, it is putting up with crap and not holding manufacturers feet to the fire.

IMO best post in this thread, very well thought out.

I still think it's a sissy move to complain about lock stick but now I understand the position a little better. I will agree that it's a valid issue that's lower on the priority list.

 

[FlaMtnBkr]

I dont think you have anything to start worrying about . Especially when you consider most of the anti framelock people always manage to forget a critical component to the reinforcement of such a lock. Their hand. Its the only lock that i know of which a proper grip on a knife improves the effectiveness of the lock. Yet everytime i see someone failing a frame lock either someone isnt holding it and if they are its from the sides and smacking the spine on a hard object to prove that using a tool improperly will cause a failure.

I have found that this sounds like a likely outcome, but that with most knives and my hand, a tight grip doesn't really reinforce the lock. Even when white knuckling a knife handle, it is easy to unlock on many models.

Want to prove it to yourself? Get a stiff small diameter rod like a nail or similar and while holding your favorite frame lock, stick it between the base of your index and middle finger where you can push on the lock. Then try moving the lock over with varying amounts of grip. I think you will find that your hand doesn't really prevent the lock from moving like you think it does.

I have had multiple frame lock knives close on me when I wasn't expecting them to while doing normal EDC tasks. It's also fairly common to read about it happening to others so it's something that happens that I have first hand experience with. I'm not saying all frame locks are bad and I know there are many that hold up just fine. But when you buy a knife you don't know what you are going to get and the lockup can change over time. And since most people don't test to see if their knife tends to slip, you could end up having a pretty bad accident.

I, personally, would rather have a lock that isn't known to slip and unlock with pressure on the blade spine. Just like I wouldn't own a truck that is known to have the seatbelt come unlocked while driving down the street. If knives were the auto industry frame locks wouldn't be used anymore because they will do a recall once just a few incidents of failure are reported which can easily cost a manufacturer hundreds of millions of dollars.

Even if a person hasn't experienced it themself, I don't understand why people would buy a knife with a lock type that has a track record of failing?! Especially when what fails is the mechanism that keeps a literally razor sharp blade from closing on your fingers?? That personally doesn't make sense to me but maybe I'm just not hardcore or tough enough to learn from other people's experiences? Actually, I have another word for that, and while this isn't directed at anyone in particular, I don't want to upset anyone's macho internet persona.

Buy and use what you like. For me, I don't trust a frame lock.

 

[flipe8]

Even if a person hasn't experienced it themself, I don't understand why people would buy a knife with a lock type that has a track record of failing?! Especially when what fails is the mechanism that keeps a literally razor sharp blade from closing on your fingers?? That personally doesn't make sense to me but maybe I'm just not hardcore or tough enough to learn from other people's experiences? Actually, I have another word for that, and while this isn't directed at anyone in particular, I don't want to upset anyone's macho internet persona.

Buy and use what you like. For me, I don't trust a frame lock.

I'm not doubting for a second you've had multiple frame locks disengage on you while performing EDC tasks, but I've been on the Forums for about 12 years(closer to 15 if you include the couple of years I visited the Forums before registering) and haven't read countless threads like you are describing.

I've been using quality frame locks for over a decade now. I've used them for everything from cutting cardboard to firehose and plenty of use that could probably be considered abusive. During that time, I've experienced one instance where a frame lock accidentally disengaged. That happened with an XM-18 and it happened nowhere near the fire ground. Only one other lock ever accidentally disengaged on me, a BM Axis Lock. Those two experiences haven't stopped me from using and enjoying folders with those locks.

You won't my upset my macho internet persona just because your experiences and opinions are different than mine. Just don't be offended that my own experiences in my life hold more weight to me than what you've written, here on the interwebs[emoji106]



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[stabman]

I have found that this sounds like a likely outcome, but that with most knives and my hand, a tight grip doesn't really reinforce the lock. Even when white knuckling a knife handle, it is easy to unlock on many models.

Want to prove it to yourself? Get a stiff small diameter rod like a nail or similar and while holding your favorite frame lock, stick it between the base of your index and middle finger where you can push on the lock. Then try moving the lock over with varying amounts of grip. I think you will find that your hand doesn't really prevent the lock from moving like you think it does.

I already have tested it, and my grip does prevent any unlocking...on many frame-locks, that is.
On some frame-lock equipped knives, your fingers do not sit in such a way as to put any pressure on the lock-bar; it can be a case of a tip-down pocket-clip getting in the way, or just how the handle is designed, but on some knives, your fingers do not enhance the lock.

On the ones I currently own, my fingers do indeed keep the lock from disengaging...even though they don't have to, because the lock is working on all my knives.