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Esav Benyamin said:
"The spyderhole would work as a trademark only if you accept that functionally a round hole is no better than an oval or hole openers of other shapes."

Spyderco uses the hole as a trademark by putting it on their fixed blades also.
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I think they would have much easier time defending their patent when dealing with fixed blades than folders. Where they pit the hole on fixed blades really isn't there to serve any purpose.
 
Enough of the childish antics. The issue is the subject. The personal posts will not be tolerated here. Fair warning.
 
nyefmaker said:
Guys, it's a "Hole" in the guard......!!! Does this mean everyone that makes a FRAMELOCK rips off Chris Reeve....??? If that's the case I am calling out Hinderer, Strider, Spyderco........Its a Knife, it has an edge, a handles, and ummm yes, holes.
There are makers out there blatantly ripping off CRK everyday by putting the CRK name and Logo on their knives, yet because they make them in another country, copyright laws do not hold much weight....!!!

I love both companies and will continue to buy from Busse & CRK Always....!!!
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Spyderco pays tribute to CRK both verbally and written when they build a RIL knife. At least the ones I have purchased come with a note that credits Chris with the design. I have no idea if there was a monetary exchange or any agreement between the two companies.

From Spyderco.com
"Sage number two focuses on knifemaking prime mover Chris Reeve's embellishment of that original Walker LinerLock by his morphing it into his R.I.L. - Reeve Integral Lock®. This modification uses the handle scale as the lock's liner."
 
al g blenny said:
OK. Thanks for your input.

I think it's a little funny that CR makes a big chopper blade and puts a hole in the guard. I mean that really does scream Busse. At least to those of us into Busse blades. It reminds me of the Busse BME (Battle Mistress Ergo). In the other hand it's not made from INFI so who cares? I don't. Plus there are only going to be 500 of them made. I doubt Busse will peruse it. It might make them look petty to some.
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Honestly, I've been a knife guy for 45+ years though I've never gotten into Busse knives (my loss). It would never have occurred to me that the Busse hole was a registered trademark. I understand that Chris Reeve might well have a better knowledge of the industry than I have - in fact I sure hope he does - but I really cannot see him stepping on someone else's IP rights. I could be wrong, but I think he gets the benefit of the doubt until there's real, hard evidence otherwise?
 
I love Busse blades, but that's gotta be about the stupidest patent I've heard of getting approved for a knife.
 
o4tg said:
I love Busse blades, but that's gotta be about the stupidest patent I've heard of getting approved for a knife.
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Not a patent, a trademark. Very different and the patent is a lot harder to get. You can trademark almost anything if you can word it right.
 
How do you trademark a lashing hole which has been around for probably centuries? lol

Thats like trying to trademark the color black.
 
Douglas Thor said:
How do you trademark a lashing hole which has been around for probably centuries? lol

Thats like trying to trademark the color black.
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I'd like to see the evidence of the centuries old design. In fact, CRK might like to see it for the legal defense if they intend to keep the hole. Other designs have lashing holes situated elsewhere (e.g. Gerber LMFII). CRK could always just move the hole...

Like it or not, Busse has the legal right to defend their trademark.
 
Sure is a hole lot of emotion going on in here... ;)

Just looked at the picture of the knife, and it should be removed because it actually looks stupid on this particular knife.
 
Douglas Thor said:
How do you trademark a lashing hole which has been around for probably centuries? lol

Thats like trying to trademark the color black.
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You can trademark colors, actually. For example, Cadbury has a trademark on a particular shade of purple so you can't sell chocolate using the same colored packaging. Likewise, Tiffany's owns a shade of blue/turquoise, UPS has their signature brown trucks, and Home Depot has their orange among other companies having various colors trademarked. This doesn't mean that they actually own the color per se, just that you can't use the same color for your advertising, packaging, etc. etc. if you're a trade competitor.
 
stabman said:
Sure is a hole lot of emotion going on in here... ;)

Just looked at the picture of the knife, and it should be removed because it actually looks stupid on this particular knife.
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Not to mention the fact that if you actually used it, and lost your grip on the knife while chopping with the thing, you'd probably break your wrist. :eek: :D
 
JNewell said:
Not just legal right, but obligation. If you don't defend your rights in a registered trademark, you'll lose them, IIRC.
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That's a really good point. If Busse failed to enforce it whereever possible, there'd be knock-offs trading on that mark all over the place. He went after Fehrman for using it, iirc. I've always wondered about the FOX knives out of Italy that carry the talon-hole, if Busse cannot enforce the trademark against them. I'm not a fan of the hole but definitely fault CRK for using it if not granted explicit permission. Reeve should have known, known from the noticeable LACK of non-Busse production knives featuring the hole if from nothing else.
 
JNewell said:
Still, if the USPTO gave Busse a trademark on that hole, they have property rights in it, and also have an obligation to protect their rights (or lose them). I'm not arguing that awarding the trademark was smart or right, but it is what it is.

On the other hand, I don't think it would ever occur to someone who wasn't familiar with Busse knives that the hole was a registered trademark. Chris Reeves can be a crusty curmudgeon but he has a long track record of being an honorable straight-shooter. I predict that this tempest in a teacup will blow over now that everyone's back from Blade.
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"Reeve"....lol
 
Does anyone have a photo of the CRK knife in question? I would like to see it to make my own personal decision.
 
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