Repent ye sinners, turn from your wicked ways...

Markku, when you see a post from me that starts out, "Verily, brethren and cistern ..." don't read any further, okay? Also avoid all threads with titles like "Church Business," "Cult Watch Bulletin," anything like that.

If this were usenet you could use a killfile, but on web forums like this you'll just have to be alert and ready to hit the "back" button quick....

-Cougar Allen :{)

P.S. Another tip -- avoid any thread with a title like, "Repent ye sinners, turn from your wicked ways..." It's bound to be humor; if it were serious the moderators would have zapped it as an off-topic troll.

-Cougar :{)


[This message has been edited by Cougar Allen (edited 03 June 1999).]
 
religious jokes are made all the time...

in fact i hear them the most from the pulpit.
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i'm a praciticing, Jesus loving Christian..and i found this amusing..that's all i have to say about this...
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Practicing? When will you be good enough to do it for real?

Sorry, couldn't resist
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-Corduroy
(Why else would a bear want a pocket?)
 
Parker - nice work.
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Cord - Hahahahahahaha. Good one.
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Lizabelle - I'm with you, word for word.

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Kelly

Deo Vindice

 
We have a saying in Finland: "leikki leikkinä, mutta totta toinen puoli" (something like, all in jest, but half of it is deadly serious). Humor is a wonderful thing. In addition, it can be and is used in propagandistic purposes, e.g., to belittle a point.

Take the "alternate lists of Ten Commandments", for example. Do they, as a rule, increase or decrease the value and importance of THE Ten Commandments? Or does the notion of 'sin', a distinctly "religious" term by origin, become more or less clear, when the word is "routinely used, by the pious and irreverent"? It is one thing to notice how central Christian (or other) notions are routinely watered down by the media, advertisers, schools, etc., and quite another to decide whether to accept (or encourage) such seditious activity or not.

Each of us sees different things as "deadly serious" (at different times). Sometimes you may make fun of my mother, sometimes not. Some of you might jump, if I started to make fun of your Constitution or the Amendments (which to me are mere abstractions). I don't pretend to understand, why this is so. Perhaps this - reacting sometimes to seemingly harmless matters - is a way to postpone the moment when there truly is nothing sacred, no absolute values, etc.? Then it's too late to wake up.

Cougar -- Why start threads (or use phrases) that you *know* will hurt somebody? As for me, I keep on reading some threads as usual, and I'll react if I have to.

Have a very good weekend all,

Markku
 
There are two parts to learning how to live with others. One is learning to walk softly around the things others hold dear. The other is learning to forgive folks for their heavy feet. I think our society has all but forgotten the second part.

Which one is more important in this thread? Both.

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-Corduroy
(Why else would a bear want a pocket?)
 
Markku:

On one side I can see your point, however you need to see this thread for what it is...humor. Which I found very funny.

For about 99.9% of the people on here no one means any harm or disrespect to anyone. Everyone on here enjoys each other's post and knows that there will be no discrimination or religious bashing. This forum is just a place to share a common hobby.

Putting religion aside for just a "second", you did not find any of it funny
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All of God's Critters may have knives, but most of them are stamped with the name BENCHMADE
 
Hey, I used to practice drinking frequently and I hadda give it mostly up, was getting real good at it. Then I practiced cutting class, got good at it, made it through college by skin on teeth and good BS skills. I never practiced much religion though, the practice sessions interferred w/ a perfectly good Sunday. I could sleep through class any day and drink any night, but Sunday sleep late day only came once a week. Now I get to sleep late on Sunday, drink socially ( I do socialize six or eight days a month after work!) and still do not attend college classes. So practice well and you shall be rewarded!

Cheers! (zzzzzz....)
 
Markku,

It's a good thing to take a stand on things that bother you. Just because something doesn't seem like a big deal to some of us, doesn't mean it isn't offensive to others.

I wish everyone would stand up for what they believe is right no matter what, where, who or why!

That doesn't mean people are going to stop (I thought the above posts were funny
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"Tolerance is the vice of those that have no convictions of their own"

Yeah!

Chris Canis
 
Markku and the gang, I think were all to cool... Don't take it so serious Markkus of the Finland....
Did Jesus have a sense of humor???YES, The Bible says so... No one wanted to blast anyone, I'm sure....Its a hobby and if the worst thats ever done is we converse in Old English as, because our wives think we spend to much on knives..
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so be it....if your are a sinner you won't be a winner..so don't wrap it up so tight...we love ya man!!
Bartman
"HE WHO HATH NOT A REEVES MISITH THE POINT"
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No Offense
 
We had a humor thread wherein mock-pulpit lingo was used to joke about knife obsession. The complaint seems to be that this amounts to a profaning of sacred matters. Making jokes about religion, or using religious language to make jokes about other things is hardly a BladeForums innovation, so the complaint is as well directed against the public at large, both present and past, as it is at the participants in this thread. The same sort of humor could have come up in a discussion group of cat owners, car enthusiasts, or gourmet cooks.

This thread was rather mild stuff, compared to a commercial I heard this morning on the radio, wherein a mock sin-denouncing sort of preacher was confounded, and shown up as a phony, by the revelation that the sponsor's frozen fruit deserts could be so pleasurable to eat without being sinful.

These arguments go back a long long way.

There is constant tension between serious religion and levity in holidays. Christmas and Easter are both Christian holy days and party time, and what shall we say of the eve of All Saints Day - Halloween?

In another tradition, the Jewish holiday of Purim, which celebrates the events in the Book of Esther, has long been a rowdy holiday, on which the rabbi and anybody else is fair game for mocking, and prayers are sung to the conspicuously secular tunes, and it's a good idea to bring a designated driver. Passover is a serious holiday, but in some very traditional and religiously conservative middle eastern households a song of thanksgiving to God is sung during a food fight with green onions.

In many contexts, someone who believes he is a great authority on a subject may be said to "pontificate," and a well known exponant of some art may be called its "high priest."

Among knife makers, the late Bob Engnath did such amazing things with a Burr-King grinder, at such amazing speed, and taught so many other knifemakers the art, that he was called "the grinder god." But, to the best of my knowledge, nobody has actually prayed to him!

I belong to a major monotheistic religion, but my web page's section on Finnish knives has a quotation or two from the Kalevala on the smith-god Ilmarinen. I'm comfortable that I'm not dabbling in paganism by doing that. Now if I were to put up a shrine to him . . . .

So I, and a lot of other folks, blur the boundaries. A serious case can be made, in more than one tradition, for not bluring the boundaries. It happens that one seriously religious person has picked this place, perhaps among others, to argue against mixing levity with sacred matters. He has taken on an enormous task.


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www.chaicutlery.com
 
Huh? Could you condense that, the previous reply that is, into 25 words or less? Bet you can't!
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[This message has been edited by greenie (edited 04 June 1999).]
 
"Cougar -- Why start threads (or use phrases) that you *know* will hurt somebody?"

"As for me, I keep on reading some threads as usual, and I'll react if I have to."

I take that question very seriously. As a satirist I have a social conscience ... most of us (satirists) do. I don't post or publish satire that I believe will have a negative impact on the world -- I try to improve the world with my satire. I don't use ethnic or racist or sexist humor or anything I think would tend to reinforce negative stereotypes. I make fun of bigotry; I don't practice it....

On the other hand there is nothing in this world that anyone would consider funny that won't offend someone somewhere -- because there's always someone who will misunderstand, no matter how clearly you write. If I never wrote anything that I knew would offend someone I would never write anything funny at all. I'd probably have to avoid writing anything, funny or not.

I do try to make it as easy as possible for people to avoid reading anything that will offend them. For instance, when I see a post in a foreign language I often post a "translation" which as I explain in every post is "based on the principle that foreigners are just people who can't spell very well and use weird syntax." Some people find those "translations" offensive, and to help them avoid them I put "Translation:" in the header, always using the colon ":" so people can add it to their killfiles if they want. (Killfiles don't work on UBB systems like this, unfortunately.) I continue to post those "translations" even though I know a few people are offended because far more people enjoy them, and because the people who don't like them are offended only because they misunderstand. I'm not satirizing people who use languages other than English; I'm satirizing the ridiculously provincial English speakers who look down on all "foreigners." Besides, the translations usually come out pretty funny ... and often obscene -- I had never realized what interesting lives foreigners lead until I started translating their posts....

This flame war is the same kind of misunderstanding; posts like the one that started this thread are not making fun of religion -- they're making fun of people who seem to worship knives or certain knifemakers as if it were a religion.

Of course you're entitled to go on reading satiric posts you know will offend you and you're entitled to flame the authors. We're all entitled to express our opinions on the net, in the appropriate place. I will go on writing satire that I believe improves the world, and that includes comparing some other things to religion, but I promise you I will never write a derogatory joke about Finns or any other ethnic group.

-Cougar Allen :{)
 

Well we certainly have a way of turning a small joke into an analysis of everything past, present or future ... don’t we?

Someone thought that they needed to respond because to them it was not a subject for jokes … that’s OK. … right?

Why try to change his mind? Why chase that rabbit … ?

If you have … repent … buy a knife … and a new sheath too.


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Yep. And I guess I should wait a while before I start a "What if knife nuts go to heaven?" thread! If anybody wants to continue this discussion, the Politics etcetera forum might be the place. I wonder if Spark has a way to pick up the whole thread and put it there.


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- JKM
www.chaicutlery.com
 
It's not that I'm a sinner, it's just that I'm so damned unrepentant!
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Yea and verily did the Mad Prophet Glesser come unto the knife knuts and he did speak of THE HOLE and the knife knits did see THE HOLE and they saw that it was GOOD.
The knife knuts did say, Yea! We shall carry holes all the days of our lives and the Mad Prophet Glesser saw that they did!

All in good fun friends, I respect everyone's choice of religion.
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I cut it, and I cut it, and it's STILL too short!

 
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