Retreating; or where to find freedom.

[DH1]

DH, shoot me an E-mail about a belt.

Done..



Another open question is are other states as up your ass as RI about registering vehicles, emissions tests, tint laws, outrageous taxes on cars, outrageous fuel taxes (our just went up .02 cents on top of everything else)...?

Everything I do here there's either a tax or a law; or both. It's corruption that I'm not a part of, and the state has every right to exist as a criminal entity. I can't change that. What I can change is where I live, work and do business.

 

[onado2000]

Vermont, maybe? The people there are very pleasant, polite & open. I remember one year when we were at Lake St. Catherine, there were 2 officers for the whole town, and we never saw a police car while driving. I like Vermont alot.

 

[onado2000]

Connecticut is the "tax you to death" state, and the gun laws SUCK here. Colt firearms is located here in Ct., BUT Ct. residents cant own Colt AR15s,

 

[dcycleman]

Here's a list that ranks the states with a composite of economic, personal, and social freedoms.

http://humboldtlib.blogspot.com/2009/03/most-free-states.html

Top 3 are New Hampshire, Colorado, and South Dakota

dude, NH was on that list, all the liberal hippies from MA are moving up that way and infecting the way of life. Now along with the high property taxes there will probably be a sales tax too. Its funny too, its all the douch bags in the cities that make the rules for the other 98% of the state. Oh yeah, there are a bunch of liberal douch bags in Colorado too. Honestly out of personal experience moving from the north east to Florida, Florida is awesome, waaaaay different take on life. If I could deal with the heat I would still be there. Hopefully moving to the neaxt best place near me-NH

 

[DH1]

Definitely. I don't mind the Yanks that come down here and are friendly and generally try to get along with us hicks. It's the ones who come down here and complain and try to turn SC into NJ with a better climate and better food that get on my nerves. Why are they here if it was so much better up there? I guess I'm just upset that they've already ruined Florida and now they're turning their beady little eyes to my state.

I've heard Vermont met the same type of fate...New Yorkers invaded!

 

[dawsonbob]

Anyone have any thoughts on Idaho? I've always heard that it was a pretty open, non-restrictive state.

 

[onado2000]

New Yorkers move towards the Lakes and really any water. Here in Ct. they take over the beach areas in the summer (now) and buy up all the real estate on the shore line. The convert these small 700 sq. ft. capes into 3 & 4 story million dollar mansions on the Long Island Sound. The good part of the migrating rich to Ct. beaches is the money they bring to local buisnesses. The bad part is gentrification.

Oh by the way, Im glad to see Bernie Madoff got 150 years, too bad its federal and not state prison, I still hope he gets shanked up his keester. And bologna that no one in his family or associates did not know what he was doing! His wife still gets to keep a few bucks though,(I think 8 million).

 

[hwpaintballer]

South West Virginia, either one is nice.

 

[Hickory67]

I grew up in East Tennessee/Southwest Virginia - I'd be inclined to go back if the work was there. That is, unless it's changed drastically since I left 20+ years ago.

 

[KintlaLake]

Having just recently moved from New Jersey to Texas, I can speak to the extreme feeling of freedom that I had in the change.

That's the way I felt going from Connecticut to Ohio in 2001.

It ain't Texas, but...

"Movin' to Montana soon | Gonna be a dental floss tycoon"

 

[HaroldB]

Um, go to Free Wyoming -

http://freestatewyomingforum.org/

One of 2 or 3 states that is NOT in the hole, tax wise and is moving toward total freedom.

Have you read "Molon Labe' "yet?

 

[monsterdog]

It's actually funny if you think about it. I mean, it has to collapse soon. They just keep taxing the snot out of everybody that works, doesn't matter if they are rich or poor.

Guess what, its not going to collapse, as long as people just bend over and keep taking it, taxes will keep on rising. Just look to Scandinavia, if you live and work there you end up paying probably 85-90% of your paycheck back in taxes when everything is tallied up. Those countries still exist. People will do anything to protect their apathy, including paying all their money back and hand over all their personal freedoms.

To the OP: Freedom is relative, if you want real freedom, go to a country that has no real interest in their population, where you can do as you please. I believe there are still countries like that in Africa and places in South America. You might just not like all that freedom when it comes with no rights or securities. As Larry Niven said: "The Product of Freedom and Security is a contant (F X S = k)." So the more freedom you want, the more security you have to give up.

 

[HaroldB]

"The Product of Freedom and Security is a contant (F X S = k)." So the more freedom you want, the more security you have to give up."
.......................................

That would only apply if your idea of "security" is provided by someone else (like dialling 911).

I prefer Benjamin Franklin's Quote, "He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither."

 

[monsterdog]

That would only apply if your idea of "security" is provided by someone else (like dialling 911).

I think that was the exact point of him saying it. Hospitals provide security that you would be hard pressed to provide for yourself. Unfortunately that also means you will have to pay some of your wages (thereby diminishing your financial freedom) and give up the freedom to do vigilante surgery (lessening freedom of action.)

Unfortunately most western governments have taken it upon themselves to regulate almost everything in your life for "your own protection", which is where things go sour for me, and I don't understand why people are fine with it happening.

I like your quote too.

 

[Ron Athay]

Having relatives in many states and considered this question, I would vote for Wyoming, Idaho, Montana, Utah, maybe N and S Dakota.

 

[InfidelShootist]

Florida is a shall issue CWP state and that permit is good in 30 states now.
No state income tax.
The castle doctrine extends to where-ever you're standing.
No snow.No AWB.

Florida "Castle Doctrine" Protects the Innocent

Puts Judiciary on the side of crime victims
News media gets it completely wrong


On March 23, 2005, The Florida Senate passed SB-436, the "Castle Doctrine" unanimously, by a vote of 39 YEAS to zero NAYS. They know something about this bill.

On April 5, The Florida House passed SB-436, "Castle Doctrine" by a vote of 94 YEAS to 20 NAYS, a margin of better than four to one.

On April 26, Governor Jeb Bush SIGNED SB-436, the "Castle Doctrine" into law (Chapter No. 2005-27) It takes effect on October 1, 2005.

The news media nationwide started in immediately with its “Gunshine State,” blood in the streets, Dirty Harry, vigilante, irrational mass murder nonsense, mythologies, lies and blatant unethical behavior.

A great deal of erroneous information has been written, published and spoken about Florida's new "Castle Doctrine" law.

Claims that the new law will turn Florida into the Wild West are not only an insult to intelligent people but give a patently false portrait of what the bill actually does.

The Florida "Castle Doctrine" law basically does three things:

One: It establishes, in law, the presumption that a criminal who forcibly enters or intrudes into your home or occupied vehicle is there to cause death or great bodily harm, therefore a person may use any manner of force, including deadly force, against that person.

Two: It removes the "duty to retreat" if you are attacked in any place you have a right to be. You no longer have to turn your back on a criminal and try to run when attacked. Instead, you may stand your ground and fight back, meeting force with force, including deadly force, if you reasonably believe it is necessary to prevent death or great bodily harm to yourself or others. [This is an American right repeatedly recognized in Supreme Court gun cases.]

Three: It provides that persons using force authorized by law shall not be prosecuted for using such force.

It also prohibits criminals and their families from suing victims for injuring or killing the criminals who have attacked them.

In short, it gives rights back to law-abiding people and forces judges and prosecutors who are prone to coddling criminals to instead focus on protecting victims.

http://www.gunlaws.com/FloridaCastleDoctrine.htm

 

[Jake Bauer]

Texas does in fact ROCK.

However I believe NH and VA are pretty good too. I think VA has no knife size limit and allows open carry of firearms. NH too.

 

[D R E]

Arizona isn't bad if you can handle the summer time. If you want cooler weather head up to the mountains and disappear. Arizona has very relaxed laws regarding weapons. Open carry on firearms, no blade limits and autos are legal. Class III licenses are common.

Remember Arizona isn't all desert, most of it is higher elevations with snow.

 

[Cpl Punishment]

How well are blatant yankees received "down south"...Texas, Arizona, etc..

Definitely. I don't mind the Yanks that come down here and are friendly and generally try to get along with us hicks. It's the ones who come down here and complain and try to turn SC into NJ with a better climate and better food that get on my nerves. Why are they here if it was so much better up there? I guess I'm just upset that they've already ruined Florida and now they're turning their beady little eyes to my state.

1.) Like CRR said, so long as you don't try to change it to what you were running from, there's rarely any problem. Although in some extremely rural areas, they don't realize the war is over yet.
2.) Can't speak for the other states, but most (most, not all) native Floridians speak the Greater American Dialect -- i.e. no "southern drawl", so you can't really tell where someone is from. Most people with accents are from somewhere else. Of course, if you have a New England accent. . .
3.) Florida is NOT ruined unless you go to Miami, Orlando, or to a lesser extent Tamps. Goes back to my previous comment that all major cities are shitholes, no matter where you go.

To add to what InfidelShootist mentioned:
Even if you don't yet have a CWP, you can have a loaded pistol in your vehicle, if it:
1.) Is in a holster with a retaining strap, and the strap is engaged.
2.) Is in some form of container (glove box, center console, box with a lid, and the lid closed), but not in your immediate possession.
Basically, they want you to be able to shoot carjackers.

You can also (barring local ordinances) carry pretty much any size fixed blade knife openly. There is a clause about "Improper display" of daggers, dirks, bowies, etc. I called the State AG's office, the local, and county police about what that meant, and they said "If it's in its sheath, and you can't tell it's a dagger, dirk, bowie, etc, then it's not "improperly displayed".

The only things that suck about it are the bugs and the weather.
I'd seriously get a CIWS gun for my yard to kill the bugs if I could.

We're also the lightning capitol of the world, get hit by hurricanes every year to one extent or the other, and have more tornadoes than Kansas.

 

[Don Rearic]

Guess what, its not going to collapse, as long as people just bend over and keep taking it, taxes will keep on rising. Just look to Scandinavia, if you live and work there you end up paying probably 85-90% of your paycheck back in taxes when everything is tallied up.

Not quite. I think most people that just have an hourly wage job would be homeless, unable to pay rent, let alone a mortgage, by the time it got anywhere near 80%. I know I would be in the woods with my wife and son at that point...homeless.