*Review* My New $50 Endura Butter Knife (Extremely Dissapointed 1st Time Owner)

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If you are a diehard faithfull Spydy fan, I caution you to not read further as it might hurt your feelings.




I 1st need to say that I don't enter into any investment like this without considerable research. So when I looked to buy my 1st high quality EDC folder I had a budget of $50-$75. Everyone on here and elsewhere pointed me to Spyderco. I've allways wanted one but never felt compelled to spend more than about $25 for a knife I would inevitably loose. So with great anticipation I ordered an Endura with black FRN handles, with the saved $$$ I also wanted to try a Byrd Cara Cara.

1st impression was not that great as the handle felt less than rigid in the hand under only slight torsional and side to side flex. I could easily feel it flexing in hand and could visibly see the blade trying to seperate the handle at the pivot point (again, only under slight pressure). I figure it's just normal with this type of material with a handle this long. The blade, all I can say at 1st is WOW!!! most uniform and expertly ground edge I've ever seen or felt, and as allways stated extremely, even surprisingly sharp!!!!!!! So my spirits were lifted when I examined the blade and figured I can get over its somewhat minor shortcommings.


Then disaster struck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:grumpy: :grumpy: :grumpy:


After less than 1hr of ownership my new Endura had its 1st real world test. To cut a 1.25inch poly pro rope than was fouled on a barge cavel here at work on the Mississippi River (Navy men call them cleats). The rope was under a good load/ tension and as I started to cut (and with me boasting to a coworker about how few strokes it will take to finish i started counting) I knew by the 3rd cutting stroke the knife was going dull!!!! I gave up trying at 20 strokes and about 1/2inch deep. After the 11th or 12th it pretty much quit cutting regardless of how hard I pressed. Stopped for fear of loosing my temper and doing something stupid.


As this is the only knife I had on me at the time, and the Cara Cara in the room where my relief was asleep, the only option I had was to go into the galley and get a knife. Sadly, a $.50 cent steak knife finished what the Endura could not. This was not a "let see what this knife can do test" I was in almost dire need to cut this line loose to keep from breaking stuff it was attached to.

And before someone says this is something only a serated blade can do, I owned 2 el' cheapo plain edge knives that at worst were slowly able to cut and perform the same task called upon as the Spydy but at least could finish what they started. One was a $10 420J2 3.25" Smith & Wesson Spec Ops, the other a small 2.5" Gerber LST in 420HC.

Naturally I'm extremely upset, but wondering and hoping that maybe I got a defective knife. I will contact headquarters in the morning and see what they say. This was the 1st and only thing I tried to cut, So now I pretty much have a very expensive butter knife as the edge is so dull It won't even slice paper, only tear it. And fear to sharpen it cause of possible warranty issues, and no owners instructions included in the box.
 
Don't really know what to say other than bummer, but polypro is not the easiest rope to cut with a plain edge knife. The edge might have rolled over a bit if it caught up on some grit in the rope itself. I've had a pile of Spydies and cut everything from fire hose to rope of various types to drywall to food prep and everything else without any issues. I'm not big on FRN handles for the reason you mentioned and would choose stainless steel for daily hard-use, but others will likely disagree as that's a personal choice. I wouldn't give up on the knife as Spyderco will make it right if anything is wrong. Good luck.
 
First experience with Spyderco a bad one? Sorry to hear that jtallant. I just got a Cara Cara G10 in the mail today, and I love it already. I don't know much about the rope you were cutting, but contacting Spyderco is a good idea. Don't give up so quickly!
 
Don't really know what to say other than bummer, but polypro is not the easiest rope to cut with a plain edge knife. The edge might have rolled over a bit if it caught up on some grit in the rope itself. I've had a pile of Spydies and cut everything from fire hose to rope of various types to drywall to food prep and everything else without any issues. I'm not big on FRN handles for the reason you mentioned and would choose stainless steel for daily hard-use, but others will likely disagree as that's a personal choice. I wouldn't give up on the knife as Spyderco will make it right if anything is wrong. Good luck.


And this is what I'm hoping for. I went with the FRN handle for weight savings, and after reading on here that nobody had problems with them I din't worry much. Same with the plain edge, everyone suggested that a properly sharpened PE can cut nearly anything a serrated edge can.
 
Doesn't sound like a new spyderco, or a spyderco of any kind to me. Are you sure it's real? Did you buy it new? Send it in. Joe
 
Unless that rope is made of some magical enchanted substance, it sounds like your Endura has a heat-treating defect. I'm sure the good people at Spyderco will be able to tell you for sure. The gross failure you describe is decidedly uncharacteristic of Spyderco knives. Of the VG10 models I have, all have had quite good edge-retention.
 
Darn ... not a good experience. Suggest that you don't let that experience sour you on Spyderco. Can you post a few pictures of the edge on your Endura? Is it a 3 or a 4? Pics please.

Razz
 
I would love a piece of the of this rope preferably long enough to put under tension and cut. The only way I can imagine this happening is it the knife was thoroughly impregnated with sand. This may be what account for the experience you had. This is the second time in not too long that a new user is at such a bad experience with a spyderco that a question arose of its authenticity or it's having a proper heat treat. I'm not saying I don't believe you but I also find it hard to believe that there are that many spyderco is out there with improper heat treats. there are things that spyderco does not do perfectly played centering, some aspects of finishing. even in one case with seems to be whole batch with a bad Tang leading up to the lock niche. But among the thousands of discussions I've had about spyderco does with well-informed enthusiasts, a bad heat treat is never really come up. I would honestly be willing to pony up five dollars to reimburse you for shipping if you could send me a piece of this rope.

I'll throw in another five bucks and post a review if I can't cut through this rope in three good strokes.
 
jtallant said:
If you are a diehard faithfull Spydy fan, I caution you to not read further as it might hurt your feelings.

Won't hurt my feelings. I can take it;)

jtallant said:
1st impression was not that great as the handle felt less than rigid in the hand under only slight torsional and side to side flex. I could easily feel it flexing in hand and could visibly see the blade trying to seperate the handle at the pivot point (again, only under slight pressure). I figure it's just normal with this type of material with a handle this long.

There's something wrong there. If you had a 3rd Gen Endura, than I can understand, because unlined FRN is very flexible. The 4th Gen Endura shouldn't have done that, unless the pivot was too loose. A lot of people like to loosen their pivots so they can flick the knives open, but a lot of the times that's too loose. I don't know how "slight" the pressure is you're talking about, but if it's slight like I think slight is, there's something wrong.

jtallant said:
After less than 1hr of ownership my new Endura had its 1st real world test. To cut a 1.25inch poly pro rope than was fouled on a barge cavel here at work on the Mississippi River (Navy men call them cleats). The rope was under a good load/ tension and as I started to cut (and with me boasting to a coworker about how few strokes it will take to finish i started counting) I knew by the 3rd cutting stroke the knife was going dull!!!! I gave up trying at 20 strokes and about 1/2inch deep. After the 11th or 12th it pretty much quit cutting regardless of how hard I pressed. Stopped for fear of loosing my temper and doing something stupid.

Never cut poly pro rope, but if I can shave hardwood with my Spyder, and it doesn't dull that fast, there's no reason why rope should dull it. Something is wrong there as well.

jtallant said:
Naturally I'm extremely upset, but wondering and hoping that maybe I got a defective knife. I will contact headquarters in the morning and see what they say. This was the 1st and only thing I tried to cut, So now I pretty much have a very expensive butter knife as the edge is so dull It won't even slice paper, only tear it. And fear to sharpen it cause of possible warranty issues, and no owners instructions included in the box.

You can sharpen it without voiding the warranty. Spyderco will tell you to send the knife to them for inspection, because there's not much they can tell over the internet, they'll need to see it to figure out what's wrong with it.

And there IS something wrong with it. That's not standard performance for a Spyder.

May I ask where you purchased it, and if it was new when you bought it ?
 
Darn ... not a good experience. Suggest that you don't let that experience sour you on Spyderco. Can you post a few pictures of the edge on your Endura? Is it a 3 or a 4? Pics please.

Razz

Yes its an Endura 4.

I would love a piece of the of this rope preferably long enough to put under tension and cut. The only way I can imagine this happening is it the knife was thoroughly impregnated with sand. This may be what account for the experience you had. This is the second time in not too long that a new user is at such a bad experience with a spyderco that a question arose of its authenticity or it's having a proper heat treat. I'm not saying I don't believe you but I also find it hard to believe that there are that many spyderco is out there with improper heat treats. there are things that spyderco does not do perfectly played centering, some aspects of finishing. even in one case with seems to be whole batch with a bad Tang leading up to the lock niche. But among the thousands of discussions I've had about spyderco does with well-informed enthusiasts, a bad heat treat is never really come up. I would honestly be willing to pony up five dollars to reimburse you for shipping if you could send me a piece of this rope.

I'll throw in another five bucks and post a review if I can't cut through this rope in three good strokes.


Email sent in regards to this. I am not a troll, just posting my experience, and trully hopping it's a simple defect I don't know if its a heat treat problem or not. And as stated, the blade is beutiful. Just didn't perform as expected.

There's something wrong there. If you had a 3rd Gen Endura, than I can understand, because unlined FRN is very flexible. The 4th Gen Endura shouldn't have done that, unless the pivot was too loose. A lot of people like to loosen their pivots so they can flick the knives open, but a lot of the times that's too loose. I don't know how "slight" the pressure is you're talking about, but if it's slight like I think slight is, there's something wrong.



Never cut poly pro rope, but if I can shave hardwood with my Spyder, and it doesn't dull that fast, there's no reason why rope should dull it. Something is wrong there as well.



You can sharpen it without voiding the warranty. Spyderco will tell you to send the knife to them for inspection, because there's not much they can tell over the internet, they'll need to see it to figure out what's wrong with it.

And there IS something wrong with it. That's not standard performance for a Spyder.

May I ask where you purchased it, and if it was new when you bought it ?


Again i refer you to my previous post #6. Agian, it is an Endura 4 with the said steel liners, no I did not adjust the pivot screw, no it doesn't seem overly loose. And by slight pressure, I mean about 5lb. of force. maybe less. I tried getting a video, but doesn't show anything. You really have to see/feel it in person as the movement is too slight to view in video format, but considerably noticeable in sight/hand.
 
Ok, now I'm convinced there is something wrong with the knife and not what I cut earlier!!!!!:thumbdn: :mad: :mad:



Without worry, I commenced to resharpen my knife. Even with a very light touch and with considerable care, it was neer impossible to keep the edge from rolling. I did finally get a scary sharp edge back on it and did mange to get a better than factory edge. So About 15min ago I went to try an easier test medium. Got an old 100pg 4wheeler magazine. Folded in half and proceded to cut in the crease lengthwise. Barely made it through the 1st cut and halhway through the 2nd, was dull again and took considerable effort to finish. Thinking it would be easy this time I didn't get a video. Sure wish I did though. Tomorrow in daylight I will redo this exact test again but shot video this time.
 
Contact Spyderco Warranty & Repair and send it in. If the blade is really doing the things you say, then it is obviously defective and they'll replace the knife.
 
It would have been better if you hadn't sharpened it as it would have ruled out some possible causes however these guys are very competant at the shop and can get you squared away.

No offense meant but don't you think the overly dramatic, "butter knife" part of your post was really necessessary? I understand no company is perfect but I typically don't go out of my way to try to embarass anyone especially before they have had a chance to look at their product and make things right. Just my opinion. Joe
 
It would have been better if you hadn't sharpened it as it would have ruled out some possible causes however these guys are very competant at the shop and can get you squared away.

No offense meant but don't you think the overly dramatic, "butter knife" part of your post was really necessessary? I understand no company is perfect but I typically don't go out of my way to try to embarass anyone especially before they have had a chance to look at their product and make things right. Just my opinion. Joe


The butter knife part was ment as a joke and to get people to read the post. As you've seen here, nowhere do I say that Spyderco is junk or the knife is crap or anything like that, as I know regardless of how tight QC is at any factory there are and will be so called "lemons" that slip through and in no way determine a manufactures' overall quality. I really want to like this knife and it's maker and hope to get things cleared up. And as far as sharpening, what was I supposed to do??? I felt as though I may have been too harsh the 1st time and wanted to sharpen and retest.

1 final question. Should I deal with knifecenter.com 1st or take this directly to Spyderco?
 
Sent an email to both companies. So, hopefully Sal pokes in here and responds and offers some advice if any.
 
I can't imagine a functional (key word here is functional, meaning proper heat treat, etc.) Spyderco failing to cut rope. Send it in.

I too would like to see a good picture of the edge before you do.
 
Sorry to hear about your negative experience with an Endura. Just like my forespeakers said, it's quite unusual. I second the advice to send the knife to Spyderco, be sure they'll put things in order.
 
Sent an email to both companies. So, hopefully Sal pokes in here and responds and offers some advice if any.

Haven't seen Sal on recently, so don't take it personal if he doesn't respond right away. I'm sure the W&R folks at Spyderco will take care of you though.
 
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