*Review* My New $50 Endura Butter Knife (Extremely Dissapointed 1st Time Owner)

i am sure spyderco will take care of it. if they offer to replace the knife, might i suggest a combo edge. with the length of the endura blade you get the best of both worlds in my opinion.
 
jtallant - Don't feel bad. I also had an Endura4, purchased from the same company, with the same edge problem. They must have gotten a bad batch of knives or something. The edge on my Endura4 would chip and roll over far too easily, and was an absolute nightmare to sharpen. It would develop a wicked wire edge, that would just flop from side to side as I sharpened. A definite mistake in heat treatment during the manufacture.

My Endura4 was also not smooth to open and close. The liners on the knife were very roughly finished. I had to loosen the pivot screw quite a bit to get it to smooth out. But once loosened, the knife showed far too much horizontal blade play. I tried taking the knife apart, and smoothing out the liners with wet/dry paper, but the problem never really went away.

You're not crazy. A bad batch must have made it out of the factory.
 
Yep we were told over at the Sypderco forums not to expect Sal for awhile. They are busy traveling doing shows.
 
Having both Gen 4 ZDP-189 and VG-10 Enduras, there is something very wrong with the blade of that knife.

If I could reliably get a 420HC Buck 110 through lots of polypro back in my fleet days, I could certainly get through a lot more now with my Spydercos since that has proven true for everything else I have ever cut.

W&R will take care of that problem child of yours. Lemon escapes happen to every company from time to time no matter how meticulous. That's why customer service is important at all, and Spyderco is among the very best at that aspect.
 
Sal said in a post a few weeks back that a QC problem was at one of their factories, unfortunatly some slipt threw, maybe this is one of those batches, Sal did say that thay have sorted oout the problem. Trully a great guy taking pride in his work. Send it in. Theyll take care of you.
 
Yeh, when I contacted customer service they had allready read the post hear and said they were expecting me. I was told to write a brief note and slip it into the box and they would hand select a replacement. Great customer service!!! It's just kind of a hassle about repackaging and sending it in, when I really wished all this never had to happen.
 
jtallant said:
Again i refer you to my previous post #6.
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Oops, didn't see that post...:p

jtallant said:
Agian, it is an Endura 4 with the said steel liners, no I did not adjust the pivot screw, no it doesn't seem overly loose. And by slight pressure, I mean about 5lb. of force. maybe less. I tried getting a video, but doesn't show anything. You really have to see/feel it in person as the movement is too slight to view in video format, but considerably noticeable in sight/hand.
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Then your knife defective, as far as I can tell. There's no reason for it to be like that. Send it to W+R.

***Editted, and now I just saw post #26...man I'm slow...***
 
Ok, I was finally able to get a few good pics of the knife and its edge. Here they are.


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This is a real bummer. Those are great pics and nothing looks wrong with the edge. My guess is there is a temper defect.

Spyderco is like all companies and will have a lemon get out once in a while. What makes Spyderco better than most other companies is that they will make it right and you will be happy.

As an aside, nylon rope is one of the hardest materials to cut with a PE blade. If you are going to be a lot of cutting of nylon rope, you should look into a SE as it will cut well even when dull.
 
kgriggs8 said:
This is a real bummer. Those are great pics and nothing looks wrong with the edge. My guess is there is a temper defect.

Spyderco is like all companies and will have a lemon get out once in a while. What makes Spyderco better than most other companies is that they will make it right and you will be happy.

As an aside, nylon rope is one of the hardest materials to cut with a PE blade. If you are going to be a lot of cutting of nylon rope, you should look into a SE as it will cut well even when dull.
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Thanks for the compliment on the pics. Had to take several and adjusted the aperture, exposure, shutter, and flash till I got a good detailed look at the very edge itself.

In the short note I'm placing with the knofe when I return it, I will be requesting a Foilage Green handle Endura with combo edge. Then, eventually get a ZDP plain edge to have both if needed.
 
jtallant said:
requesting a Foilage Green handle Endura with combo edge. Then, eventually get a ZDP plain edge to have both if needed.
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good choice. if you do end up getting the zdp may i now suggest to send it in to tom krein and have him grind it down. the pics posted here (or spyderco forum, i forget) were gorgeous and i like the flat grind better. mine will be done sometime after the knife show. :thumbup:
 
polypro is tough. tougher than hemp. it is not easy to cut, not even with ZDP. at least based on one incident i had using my ZDP Calypso. You need a lower grit finish edge to cut polypro well.
 
I have had nylon rope some of my best knives look bad. It hasn't dulled them but they didn't cut as well as I expected. I think the Nylon is slippery to PE blades and they don't really get a good bite. That is where SE comes into it's own. My SE Rescue will cut like a demon through rope, burlap or any other fiberous material.

PE has it's place, CE has it's place and SE has it's place. There is no one knife that will do everything well. The best you can do is try and figuire out what you will be using your knfe for most of the time and pick a blade that will preform. That takes some experience and if you want tips, we can help with ideas but you will have to decide for yourself in the end. It is not about the destination but the ride. I have really enjoyed thinking about my knives and what I like about them and what I don't. It is a hobby in itself to find the "perfect" knife.
 
sounds like a possible heat treat problem, but that really doesn't happen with production knives.

I would email or call spyderco and they will make it right. Also in the summer they tend to be backed up, but I am sure they will push you ahead as you are a new owner. you may also want to contact KnifeCenter and see if they can just replace it, they are a great company to deal with.
 
Hi Jtallant,

Sorry for your experience. While it is hard to imagine that one of our knives wouldn't cut the line, I guess it's possible. I'm glad Customer Service is sorting it for you. I've been out of town. I'm going to personally inspect your knife when it comes in.

Anyone that says a plain edge knife will cut line (rope) better than one of our serrated versions has, in my opoinion, very little experience with line and serrated Spyderco's. We stopped using Poly rope in our demos becaue the line seprateted so quickly, it looked like defective line.

I have experienced failure at cutting poly line with a straight razor, so "bite" is a good feature on rope.

If I'm on my boat, my knife is serrated. period.

Let me know if you want to try one with teeth in our replacement.

sal
 
tonydahose said:
good choice. if you do end up getting the zdp may i now suggest to send it in to tom krein and have him grind it down. the pics posted here (or spyderco forum, i forget) were gorgeous and i like the flat grind better. mine will be done sometime after the knife show. :thumbup:
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As the owner of several Spydercos reground by Tom Krein that is a great idea. Getting the Endura ZDP reground to full flat grind with a .010" edge will make for a tremendous cutter that is still durable. The ease of sharpening will also be greatly improved. I believe it was Catamount who had the pics of his Endura ZDP regrind, it would be nice to hear some of his experiences with the knife after the regrind.

Mike
 
Yes, my next SE will be a ZDP Endura that will have that Krein love'in. I might ask him to put a Mili like point on it also.
 
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