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Nasty?
Here's a re-post of some tips for your new position in life:
http://www.proft.org/tips/evil.html
Here's a re-post of some tips for your new position in life:
http://www.proft.org/tips/evil.html
Cougar Allen
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Gentlebeings, the HI forum is supposed to be for talking about HI knives. You can talk about other knives on other forums here, and you can discuss topics other than knives in the Cantina or in the Community section (I bet a lot of you guys would love Gadgets & Gear if you knew it exists), and you can post ads in the Exchange section with the appropriate membership level.
Of course thread drift happens and the rules are made for the benefit of the members; the members weren't made to follow the rules -- but if you post ads in the discussion forums here, beware the Power Rangers!
This time in the course of despamming the ads I also had to despam other posts that quoted the spam or responded to it including a link. That does not mean you can't quote other posts or you can't post a link; it just means that once the Power Rangers start destroying evil we destroy all the evil wherever it may be hiding. We Power Rangers take ourselves and our struggle against spam seriously!
Of course thread drift happens and the rules are made for the benefit of the members; the members weren't made to follow the rules -- but if you post ads in the discussion forums here, beware the Power Rangers!
This time in the course of despamming the ads I also had to despam other posts that quoted the spam or responded to it including a link. That does not mean you can't quote other posts or you can't post a link; it just means that once the Power Rangers start destroying evil we destroy all the evil wherever it may be hiding. We Power Rangers take ourselves and our struggle against spam seriously!
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Munk and Nasty ? You guys are appreciated and I guess if things went smoothly all the time it would just get boring for you .
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I don't think that I've ever really reviewed other things here, but I may have discussed them more than I should have. I ought to be thrown in jail. Wait a minute...
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I believe one of the problems, if you could call it a problem, is related to the success of HI as a business and this forum.
Say I want to post a thread about a hatchet I have. Say I go to the Knife, Tomahawk, and Hatchet forum here. I'll get about three responses. I post that same thread here and there might be 30 and the thread would still be active 3 days later.
Say I post something about politics in the political forum, the quality and tone of the responses, and just the sheer thoughtfulness of them, is way higher if I post it in the HI forum.
Say I post something about some big blade other than a khukuri in the knife reviews or general knife discussion. I'll get about half (or less ) responses that I get here.
Say I post some stuff about a hike I took in the Wilderness section. I might get 1 response? I post it here and I get 20.
I believe that that is because of the success of this forum. The general chatter feed the sales and the sales feed the general chatter. There are people on this forum that never post anywhere else on any other forum or really, anywhere else on this forum (BF). People come here and buy a blade and then get hooked on the wide ranging chatter and buy more and become regulars. People come here because they see some off topic post they want to post on and end up getting into khukuris.
While I can basically live with whatever rules there are, as long as people give me warning when they think I am violating them, I see the trend to further limit and narrow the discussion may not generate as much traffic here.
On the other hand the argument would be that if the same people would post the posts that they are posting here in the other forums here that those forums would be more busy, however since so many people here mainly just stay here, I'm not sure that it WOULD increase the traffic.
Say I want to post a thread about a hatchet I have. Say I go to the Knife, Tomahawk, and Hatchet forum here. I'll get about three responses. I post that same thread here and there might be 30 and the thread would still be active 3 days later.
Say I post something about politics in the political forum, the quality and tone of the responses, and just the sheer thoughtfulness of them, is way higher if I post it in the HI forum.
Say I post something about some big blade other than a khukuri in the knife reviews or general knife discussion. I'll get about half (or less ) responses that I get here.
Say I post some stuff about a hike I took in the Wilderness section. I might get 1 response? I post it here and I get 20.
I believe that that is because of the success of this forum. The general chatter feed the sales and the sales feed the general chatter. There are people on this forum that never post anywhere else on any other forum or really, anywhere else on this forum (BF). People come here and buy a blade and then get hooked on the wide ranging chatter and buy more and become regulars. People come here because they see some off topic post they want to post on and end up getting into khukuris.
While I can basically live with whatever rules there are, as long as people give me warning when they think I am violating them, I see the trend to further limit and narrow the discussion may not generate as much traffic here.
On the other hand the argument would be that if the same people would post the posts that they are posting here in the other forums here that those forums would be more busy, however since so many people here mainly just stay here, I'm not sure that it WOULD increase the traffic.
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Cougar Allen said:
Hollow - As you requested...the rules are pretty straightforward. Folks are expected to familiarize themselves with them. There is no movement to restrict posts at all...no spamming for other businesses, no spamming for other forums, no personal attacks, simple good manners and no spitting on the stove.
FWIW, *I* am one of those folks you talk about...wandered through one day and got infected, so I agree with you on the need for the "other than x" topics.
Remember, as Bill always said "What's this got to do with khukuris? Everything." still holds.
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Nasty said:
Nasty,
I was kind of referring to first creating the Cantina which doesn't really restrict the posts just divides them further. Second to this statement:
Maybe I'm totally wrong, but to me that is more restrictive than our previous policy. That tells me that if I want to talk about a hatchet, or Dan wants to share some of his most recent handiwork with us that we should NOT be doing it in the HI forum OR the Cantina, that the only blade discussion that should go on in the HI Form or Cantina is about HI blades. I'm totally cool with that but I think it's a change :thumbup:
It is one thing to value the opinons of your friends here, and another to make this a base to criticize other manufacturers.
It was the tone that got this started. Go back and read Jimmy's attitude on how other knife makers better watch out for the consumer. It only takes one person to blow it for everyone. The idea of comparing a well known maker like Chen, to some percieved standard here, in the terms and tone used, was unacceptable to me at least, perhaps not to all here.
We used to do those comparisons in an almost joyous way- look how many good guys there are in the world, we used to say.
This was not about Valiant.
The spamming, the ad copy, Hollow's Johnny on the Spot solicitation for another forum- it all adds up.
We can have another round of how wonderful we are and just looking out for
other, but that is not my impression of many of the posts in recent threads. To me, they were mincing, condescending, arrogant, and even vindictive. They were pissant.
I'm sure other forums have friendly reference to other manufacturers.
If enough of you think I'm offbase here, I'll ask Cougar or Nasty to handle it from here on in.
I was angry, but I tried to ask nice days ago, and got denial and, "Who me, Man" instead.
How can I go to bat for us with Cougar, when some of you won't look at the behavior that got us here?
Norm understood right away. I think most in the forum do.
munk
It was the tone that got this started. Go back and read Jimmy's attitude on how other knife makers better watch out for the consumer. It only takes one person to blow it for everyone. The idea of comparing a well known maker like Chen, to some percieved standard here, in the terms and tone used, was unacceptable to me at least, perhaps not to all here.
We used to do those comparisons in an almost joyous way- look how many good guys there are in the world, we used to say.
This was not about Valiant.
The spamming, the ad copy, Hollow's Johnny on the Spot solicitation for another forum- it all adds up.
We can have another round of how wonderful we are and just looking out for
other, but that is not my impression of many of the posts in recent threads. To me, they were mincing, condescending, arrogant, and even vindictive. They were pissant.
I'm sure other forums have friendly reference to other manufacturers.
If enough of you think I'm offbase here, I'll ask Cougar or Nasty to handle it from here on in.
I was angry, but I tried to ask nice days ago, and got denial and, "Who me, Man" instead.
How can I go to bat for us with Cougar, when some of you won't look at the behavior that got us here?
Norm understood right away. I think most in the forum do.
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Munk wrote:
"Go back and read Jimmy's attitude on how other knife makers better watch out for the consumer"
I have to admit, I do believe that the consumer needs to set a high bar, not just for one vendor, dealer, manufacturer, but for all that sell goods to the consumer. Why?, it keeps them on their toes
I "truly" believe that by just accepting things one is not happy with, without public protest or exposure, that it will only help in leading to further degradation.
I also think it's nice to see some patting on the back when it is deserved as well
Though I guess something like this would be better discussed in another forum
PS.
For the record, I did not bring up Cheness or the owner of that company, Paul Chen (not the same Paul Chen of the Hanwei Forge). Another poster was simply comparing Cheness' good customer service to that of HI's, and I only agreed that this new company seemed to be off to a good start. Here is that particular post in question (if anyone is interested in seeing it): http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=396942
This poster exposed a mishap with the product, as well as the way the mishap was handled.
I did then come in and comment that I hoped that his source in China did not make the mishap a habit (which Cheness admitted was caused by a shortcut taken by an employee). I mentioned that if it did continue, it could blemish an otherwise great start for this firm.
I even mentioned (in brief) some of what this company offers, so that people not familiar with them could get a feel of the type of products they offer.
But as I had mentioned in another post, "I guess JJ can't say anything right"
"Go back and read Jimmy's attitude on how other knife makers better watch out for the consumer"
I have to admit, I do believe that the consumer needs to set a high bar, not just for one vendor, dealer, manufacturer, but for all that sell goods to the consumer. Why?, it keeps them on their toes
I "truly" believe that by just accepting things one is not happy with, without public protest or exposure, that it will only help in leading to further degradation.
I also think it's nice to see some patting on the back when it is deserved as well
Though I guess something like this would be better discussed in another forum
PS.
For the record, I did not bring up Cheness or the owner of that company, Paul Chen (not the same Paul Chen of the Hanwei Forge). Another poster was simply comparing Cheness' good customer service to that of HI's, and I only agreed that this new company seemed to be off to a good start. Here is that particular post in question (if anyone is interested in seeing it): http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=396942
This poster exposed a mishap with the product, as well as the way the mishap was handled.
I did then come in and comment that I hoped that his source in China did not make the mishap a habit (which Cheness admitted was caused by a shortcut taken by an employee). I mentioned that if it did continue, it could blemish an otherwise great start for this firm.
I even mentioned (in brief) some of what this company offers, so that people not familiar with them could get a feel of the type of products they offer.
But as I had mentioned in another post, "I guess JJ can't say anything right"
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munk said:
Munk,
I totally agree with the examples you gave. However I was more referring to what I percieve as a ban on talking about any other blades than HI in even a friendly way. There's not really any other way to read what the man said. Which is fine with me as long as I know that's the rules. It just cuts down on the topics of conversation a bit.
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munk said:
Munk,
I know you'll wince at this but you and Nasty are rather liberal mods for this forum
Being liberal or conservetive has little to do with the job. Keeping the forum going in the direction and with the original concepts of Bill Martino intact, is the job, and working within the Blade Forum quidelines.
With all the new products coming from HI or being ask to be developed, the attributes or traits of other product lines, being mentioned, is ineveitable. Lets make it the "exception" and not the rule. It's not US against THEM, we are all part of this community, let's police ourselves and make the Mods, at all levels, job easier. IMHO
Dick
With all the new products coming from HI or being ask to be developed, the attributes or traits of other product lines, being mentioned, is ineveitable. Lets make it the "exception" and not the rule. It's not US against THEM, we are all part of this community, let's police ourselves and make the Mods, at all levels, job easier. IMHO
Dick
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sogguy said:
Sorry, I must not have used enough humor emoticons to get my tone across