Revolver Questions

[grey menace]

For a EDC small semi auto, the P239 sig in 40 cal is awesome,i havbe the 357 sig barrel in mine and find it to be a little more accurate with not much more recoil, had mine for about a year and carry every day, had Glocks , Kimbers, H k's Karhs,the Sig out performs them all.I have the LazerMax lazer on mine,great set up. Your better off saving up your money and getting a really great gun, rather than settling for a lesser piece because of price. Your life could depend on the gun your carrying! don't compremise.G.M

 

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[James 61]

And here I thought this thread had run its course. One of the guns I have narrowed the choices down to is the Kahr P40. If anybody has experience with this pistol I would like to hear from you. Especially any comparisions to the PM40 would be great.

 

[Webscrounger]

I just saw in a magazine that Ruger now is selling a revolver, 38 cal., stainless cylinder, forged aluminum frame upper and PLASTIC lower end (frame, guard, grip).

I guess Ruger is going the way of all the semi-auto makers. Maybe the heirlooms we pass on to our great grand children in the future will all be made of plastic. That's sad IMHO.

 

[Steel-Junky]

The 45acp revolvers are ok. But really the 45acp is best left in an auto. Especially if you're talking about a 2" barrel. The 45 is so big and slow that you kinda need more barrel. And I'm no expert but I think revolvers lose a little power out the side of the cylinder gap... not a good thing for 45acp. Doesn't really matter for the heavier charged revolver cartridges. If you want a short barrel wheel gun that makes a thud... I'd suggest the Ruger Alaskan in 454 Casull. I've owned the 44mag version and it's a fine revolver. It holds six shots and can fire 454 of 45lc. So you can have 45acp type performance and then some in case you need it. I never buy a 38spcl... I always buy a 357 and then I can shoot both. Lovely thing about revolvers.

 

[Rescue Mike]

And here I thought this thread had run its course. One of the guns I have narrowed the choices down to is the Kahr P40. If anybody has experience with this pistol I would like to hear from you. Especially any comparisions to the PM40 would be great.

James... I thought you had shot my PM40!!! It kicks TERRIBLE! Unless you have really strong wrists, I would skip this one. It's tough to put any significant number of rounds through it because it just wears you out.

 

[Rescue Mike]

James... Have you looked at the Ruger LCP .380?? Its small, easily concealed, and is only about $300!

 

[MORIMOTOM]

And here I thought this thread had run its course. One of the guns I have narrowed the choices down to is the Kahr P40. If anybody has experience with this pistol I would like to hear from you. Especially any comparisions to the PM40 would be great.

James... Have you looked at the Ruger LCP .380?? Its small, easily concealed, and is only about $300!

i have both the p40 and lcp.

both are real jumpy. the p40 trigger (and all kahr triggers) is similar in feel to a para ordinance lda, though a bit heavier. overall the gun is kind of a cross between a glock and an lda.

nice and slim, easily concealable. the one universal complaint regarding kahr pistols is the slide stop pin/lever. the edges are pretty sharp. i shoot thumbs forward, and the darn thing would dig in to my thumbs every shot. i had to dremel it down and radius the trailing edge. mine has been very reliable after the first 200 or so rounds. initially it would fail to feed, but no longer.

they are also a pain to disassemble.

i think the lcp is nothing short of fantastic. yes, its only a .380. i carry mine as a backup on duty, and typically carry it as an off duty gun as well.

nothing i have ever handled conceals as well, or is as comfortable to carry iwb. reliable right out of the box. the only malfunctions i have seen with mine were induced by other shooters. one had wrapped his left thumb over the slide, retarding the action, and another didn't fully reset the trigger.

on the down side, the trigger pull and reset are very long. and if you don't fully reset, you will get light strikes.

you need a flathead screwdriver or similar to disassemble, but its still much easier than my p40.

 

[Strabs]

1894 in 44 mag? 44-40?

If I had a .44 Mag Revolver I would naturally grab an 1894SS (44mag). Walnut and stainless makes a sexy combo:thumbup:

Since I don't have any 44mag toys, I have been thinking of getting an 1895GS...just for shizzle and giggles

 

[akadave2]

i have both the p40 and lcp.

both are real jumpy. the p40 trigger (and all kahr triggers) is similar in feel to a para ordinance lda, though a bit heavier. overall the gun is kind of a cross between a glock and an lda.

nice and slim, easily concealable. the one universal complaint regarding kahr pistols is the slide stop pin/lever. the edges are pretty sharp. i shoot thumbs forward, and the darn thing would dig in to my thumbs every shot. i had to dremel it down and radius the trailing edge. mine has been very reliable after the first 200 or so rounds. initially it would fail to feed, but no longer.

they are also a pain to disassemble.

i think the lcp is nothing short of fantastic. yes, its only a .380. i carry mine as a backup on duty, and typically carry it as an off duty gun as well.

nothing i have ever handled conceals as well, or is as comfortable to carry iwb. reliable right out of the box. the only malfunctions i have seen with mine were induced by other shooters. one had wrapped his left thumb over the slide, retarding the action, and another didn't fully reset the trigger.

on the down side, the trigger pull and reset are very long. and if you don't fully reset, you will get light strikes.

you need a flathead screwdriver or similar to disassemble, but its still much easier than my p40.

Just picked up an LCP...as per my avatar. I have yet to shoot it...been too dang cold here.

I also carry a Smith 340 Scandium .357 and a Smith Scandium Combat Commander on occasion

 

[James 61]

James... I thought you had shot my PM40!!! It kicks TERRIBLE! Unless you have really strong wrists, I would skip this one. It's tough to put any significant number of rounds through it because it just wears you out.

I did shoot your PM40 and yes it was a a tough gun to shoot. I am looking at its larger sibling the P40. I was hoping to hear if anybody had any experience with both and how they compare.

Thanks for the tip about the LCP.

Thanks for the info Morimotom

 

[Dennis in MA]

I carry a G27 deep or a G23 under a concealment garment OWB.

If you wanted 45cal specs, you could look at the Glock 39. It's 45GAP, but pretty danged close to 45acp standards. 3.5" bbl. Probably about an inch smaller in all dimensions than a 2" 45 revolver. I can fit my G27 (Same sized platform) appendix-carry under a variety of cover garments INCLUDING A light sweater. It does NOT print like I expected.

Just a thought. A J-frame is about the largest revolver I'll consider carrying b/c of the compact package of Glocks.

 

[Rescue Mike]

I carry a G27 deep or a G23 under a concealment garment OWB.

If you wanted 45cal specs, you could look at the Glock 39. It's 45GAP, but pretty danged close to 45acp standards. 3.5" bbl. Probably about an inch smaller in all dimensions than a 2" 45 revolver. I can fit my G27 (Same sized platform) appendix-carry under a variety of cover garments INCLUDING A light sweater. It does NOT print like I expected.

Just a thought. A J-frame is about the largest revolver I'll consider carrying b/c of the compact package of Glocks.

I'm leary of the .45GAP... Too much like trying to re-invent the wheel! And, It's a Glock. The only AD I've ever had was a slam fire with an older Glock that I carried as my primary. Needless to say, it got sent back to Glock in one hellava big hurry!

I know that they make a good firearm, I was just biased against them after that.

Hey James, I am buying one of the Ruger LCP's... I'm happy to let you play with it all you want.

 

[UffDa]

One other comment about two inch barrels---because they are so short they don't provide adequate rifling spin to the bullet in that short travel for long range shooting. Hence, accuracy (beyond 50 yards or so) really suffers because the bullet at that range is rapidly losing the minimal spin imparted by the short barrel. Four inches, minimum, is best all around and the additional two inches isn't that much harder to hide for concealed carry.

Sorry, but that's nonsense. It has been proven over and over that a 2" barrel is just as accurate as a 4" or 6" barrel. Short barrel revolvers are just a bit more difficult to shoot because the sight radius is so short. Of course, Bob Monden doesn't seem to have much trouble popping balloons at 200 yards with a S&W Model 60.

 

[Ken44]

If you don't want to go with a glock 26 or 27, I would go with the Sig 239.

I don't own a 239, but have shot one. Controlable, great trigger, accurate and super easy to break down. From what you say your looking for I think you would like it.

I rotate a glock 27, sig 229 or 232 for EDC. But usually carry the 27.

 

[Ken44]

Sorry, but that's nonsense. It has been proven over and over that a 2" barrel is just as accurate as a 4" or 6" barrel. .

Its not nonsence for the average shooter. I or anyone I've ever seen(live in person) can shoot a 2" revolver worth a flip. But my 6" SW686 Classic Hunter I can shoot more accurate than any centerfire pistol I have...not counting my bench pistols like in my avatar.


edit- well maybe UFFda is not the average shooter and can shoot a 2" revolver as good as most of us can a short barreled auto. Most of us Average shooters can shoot a small quality auto much better. I would never EDC a 4' or 6" barrel, but I still have never seen anyone shoot one as accurate as a 4 or 6. We are not human Ransom rest. Even in a rest I don't think a 2" would shoot as good as a 6". Never even seen a pic of that being done,

 

[UffDa]

Its not nonsence for the average shooter. I or anyone I've ever seen(live in person) can shoot a 2" revolver worth a flip. But my 6" SW686 Classic Hunter I can shoot more accurate than any centerfire pistol I have...not counting my bench pistols like in my avatar.

That was not the nonsense I was referring to. The comment was that a 2" revolver was less accurate then one with a longer barrel. Here's the quote, "One other comment about two inch barrels---because they are so short they don't provide adequate rifling spin to the bullet in that short travel for long range shooting." I say again, that is nonsense. The part about a 4" barrel is good advice, but even that may be too much for some people to carry.

It's true that a short barrel handgun is harder to shoot at long range, but at 10 or 15 yards they are more then adequate with a bit of practice. Is that worth a flip? I don't know. It depends on what you expectations are. If you're talking about 25 yard slow fire matches, no, they are not competitive for most people. However, a 3 inch group, dead center at 10 yards is more then good enough IMHO. (At least for an old fart like me. )

One last thing. There has been a lot of stuff written in various magazines about concealed carry recently and it seems that MOST folks want a small handgun. In my observation in this area, I see mostly small pistols like S&W J-frames and some of the new plastic frame pistols. Very few want to carry a 44 oz. loaded 1911 all day.

 

[UffDa]

BTW, this is my EDC. It weighs more then a J-frame, but it can be shot a lot with full power ammo without wearing it out. My old S&W model 60 still shoots well, but after about 500 rounds of +P and untold rounds of mid-range .38 Special, it rattles.

 

[James 61]

...Hey James, I am buying one of the Ruger LCP's... I'm happy to let you play with it all you want.

I'll take you up on that. Nothing like trying before buying.