Revolvers versus Autos plus Revolver Tips

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Revolvers: More mechanically complex that autos, however, IMO safer, especially a double action with the hammer not cocked. You have to intend to fire it to overcome a 12 lb or so trigger pull without cocking. Also a DA revolver is easy to make 100% safe merely by opening the cylinder, ejecting the cartridges, and then handing it over for inspection or carrying on the range with the cylinder remaining open. For home storage when you might have 'questionable' guests, open the cylinder, empty it, and snap a good quality padlock over the frame---this equals a disabled firearm. As another safety feature, all modern DA (and most SA) revolvers have a device called a 'transfer bar' which prevents firing when the trigger is not fully pulled, hence no more accidental discharges if the firearm is dropped, and modern SAs are safe to carry fully loaded unlike the 'Old West' six-shooters and some modern and older model clones.

Autos: Higher capacity, much simpler mechanically, but dangerous in the hands of careless people. Many autos will still fire a chambered round with the magazine removed and there have been myriad tragic accidents because of that. In some respects autos are not as dependable as a revolver. For example, in the event of a misfire, you must jack the slide to eject the bad shell and insert another. With the revolver, just pull the trigger again. Also, all modern revolvers have a device called a 'transfer bar' which prevents firing unless the trigger is fully pulled. But, all autos, regardless of quality, feed their cartridges from a piece of coffee can tin and/or plastic called a magazine, too often the weak link in the auto feed cycle. A damaged or dirty mag can put you out of action. I always piss off my sheriff's dept range officer because I insist on spreading a tarp on the ground during combat drills so I don't eject my mags into the dirt.

DA revolver tips:

1. Do NOT take them apart, especially S&Ws and Colts unless you really know what you're doing. They are NOT items for experimentation and exploration! I've had many such revolvers brought to me in pieces and in plastic baggies, sacks, or boxes because the owner wanted to 'detail clean it or tune it up.' One of the common damaged parts from this is the side plate. There is one way and one way only to remove a side plate and it does NOT involve prying with a screwdriver!

If you must and truly know how to tinker with what's under a sideplate, here's the right way to remove it. First take out the screws, usually three. Remove the grips. Hold the revolver horizontally in one hand with the sideplate up and a forefinger lightly pressing it. Take a hammer or other tool with a wooden or hard plastic handle, I prefer a small hammer with wooden handle. Hold the tool by its 'business' end and lightly, repeat lightly, tap on the frame previously covered by the grips with the wooden handle. It may take a minute or two of LIGHT tapping in the grip area but the sideplate will work its way out of its very precision frame fitting and pop up against your finger. You can then carefully lift it away and have access to the revolver's innards. As I said previously, a revolver is a complex beast. All sorts of linkages, levers, and springs are in play to rotate the cylinder, lock it in place for firing, cock and release the hammer, and so on. Most of these functions interact so if you mess up one of them you generally mess up all of them.

Critical tip for DA revolvers: Do NOT---NEVER---flip the cylinder closed! I know the tv and movie cops and bad guys do this all the time but I guarantee you, it WILL screw up the cylinder fitting and alighment. I compare cylinder flipping to slamming the driver's door on your vehicle several times. Do that and the wind will whistle around the door when you're speeding down the highway despite the rugged door hinges. Same thing with a revolver. I've come close to physical conflicts when customers have done that in my shop, and I've ordered a few to leave my premises and find another gunsmith.
 
My revolver (Ruger SP101) has all kinds of toolmarks on it, from the factory.

I assume such handling has not messed up any internal parts? Are Rugers simpler inside than S&W and Colt?

Are single actions simpler than double actions?

With proper handling and no asshattery that you mentioned, what are some problems to expect down the line with double action revolvers, and how do they manifest themeselves? With single actions?

Thanks. :)
 
Ruger builds good stuff..generally thought to be over-built and often heavier than their competitors. Some of their stuff is not known for great accuracy although I have two(2) Mark II 77 VT[.223 and .308] that both shoot very well after I had some trigger work done on the .223. Did serious whalin' on some WY PDs this Spring.

I have all the Ruger's I ever bought starting with a Mark I .22 a bazillion years ago. I'd compare them to Timex..take a lickin' and keep on tickin', LOL.
 
I carried DA revolvers (Smith & Wessons all) for the first 15 years or so of my police career. Much like any firearm, if fed decent ammunition they are pretty darn reliable.
The most common malfunction I saw over all those years shooting at ranges with other police officers was the ejector rod coming a bit loose. If that happens, it can tie up the cylinder and make it difficult to remove.

Other than that, most of the problems I've seen are due to individuals who fancy themselves pistolsmiths and who get into the innards to "improve" the action...

That being said, my current duty weapon, a Glock M23, has had exactly no malfunctions in somewhat over 15 years....
 
Dang! I tried to find a hole to debate or argue with you...but you're spot on Chief. Even though you are correct on the safety aspect (I've seen a few "empty" Beretta M9's discharge into a firing barrel), I still make sure even truly empty pistols are treated as if they're loaded.

ROCK6
 
Skinny Joe and UNK, Rugers are generally better engineered than Colt or S&W. They are a relatively new kid on the block so they went their own way and improved what they considered to be old fashioned or unnecessarily complex with their firearms, they also made their's stronger in some key areas. Rugers may not be as smooth as S&Ws but they do 'slick' up with shooting and hold their own with any other firearm out there!

As far as S&W problems or required internal maintenance goes, I have a S&W K22 and a 38 with four inch barrel, both for more than 50 years. Both have fired TENS of thousands of rounds and have NEVER been apart, and remain tight and accurate. Old S&Ws are like old Rolls Royces, they just go and go, as do older Colt revolvers. Also Rugers, I have some Rugers in their 40s and they are still A number one. I also stress that I reload for everything I own except 22s so I shoot a lot.

Someone asked if SA revolvers were less complex than DAs. Answer: Yes. An SA has no cocking mechanism for the hammer. Also no swing out cylinder and no complicated ejection mechanism. The shooter does the cocking and ejecting.

BTW, if a S&W cylinder axle works loose, take it out (threads are reversed so it unscrews clockwise), put just a tiny dab of fingernail polish on the threads at the tip, and screw back in. Then wrap a small piece of leather around the axle tip and VERY carefully tighten it just a bit more beyond finger tight with pliers, not much, just a touch and go easy with the pliers. The axle will then stay put and can be taken out if necessary.
 
Skinny Joe and UNK, Rugers are generally better engineered than Colt or S&W.

I suppose this depends on one's definition of engineered . They are certianly more robust and can handle stiffer loads, but I've found that this has come at the expense of refinement i.e. a smooth action and a sharp break on the trigger.
 
Stage 2, Agree, Sir, to a point. Ruger has gone for simplicity and strength. The large bore Ruger DA revolvers have a superb lockup at both ends of the cylinder especially with that sort of a 'door latch' device they have at the front of the cylinder. They also move the cylinder bolt notch at each chamber off to the side so as to not compromise the chamber strength. S&Ws and Colts have the notch directly over the chambers.

I've found a bit of shooting smooths a Ruger revolver right up and I also treated my Rugers to Wolff spring sets. I use the lightest trigger return spring and the middle one of the three hammer springs, cuts the trigger pull by a bunch and still fires reliably. Oh, BTW, IMO the lack of side plates is also a plus, as is the use of coil rather than flat springs for pretty much all functions.

In a lifetime of shooting revolvers, I had a very unusual accident occur a couple of years ago. I was firing my Ruger 44 mag Redhawk when the round behind the barrel fired, the second round away on the right also fired! The lead from the second round was 'smeared' down the right side and it kicked like hell. I figured the firearm was seriously damaged but not so. When I returned home I checked it carefully and no damage or cylinder misalignment. I've since fired a thousand or two rounds and it's still as accurate as ever. Weird but true and one for my personal record book. I surmise the primer of the second round must have worked out and recoil smacked it back against the cylinder shroud to fire it.
 
I've found a bit of shooting smooths a Ruger revolver right up and I also treated my Rugers to Wolff spring sets. I use the lightest trigger return spring and the middle one of the three hammer springs, cuts the trigger pull by a bunch and still fires reliably.

I'm still waiting on approval of my pistol permit (gotta love NY), so this question is premature, but is that spring job something someone can do on their own?
 
Im new to knives( couple of years) but im not new to guns.
I love handguns and ive owned quite a few( around 50).
Smith and wesson revolvers hold 6-9 rounds and sell for $450-$1000.
Glock handguns hold 10-17 rounds and sell for $500-$625.
I cant say enough nice things about glock handguns.
Autos have less moving parts.
Revolvers are basically flawless for reliability(s&w).
Ive never had an issue with glocks either.
I think glock gives the best $ value in a compact reliable handgun.
 
Stage 2, Agree, Sir, to a point. Ruger has gone for simplicity and strength. The large bore Ruger DA revolvers have a superb lockup at both ends of the cylinder especially with that sort of a 'door latch' device they have at the front of the cylinder. They also move the cylinder bolt notch at each chamber off to the side so as to not compromise the chamber strength. S&Ws and Colts have the notch directly over the chambers.

I've found a bit of shooting smooths a Ruger revolver right up and I also treated my Rugers to Wolff spring sets. I use the lightest trigger return spring and the middle one of the three hammer springs, cuts the trigger pull by a bunch and still fires reliably. Oh, BTW, IMO the lack of side plates is also a plus, as is the use of coil rather than flat springs for pretty much all functions.

In a lifetime of shooting revolvers, I had a very unusual accident occur a couple of years ago. I was firing my Ruger 44 mag Redhawk when the round behind the barrel fired, the second round away on the right also fired! The lead from the second round was 'smeared' down the right side and it kicked like hell. I figured the firearm was seriously damaged but not so. When I returned home I checked it carefully and no damage or cylinder misalignment. I've since fired a thousand or two rounds and it's still as accurate as ever. Weird but true and one for my personal record book. I surmise the primer of the second round must have worked out and recoil smacked it back against the cylinder shroud to fire it.


I'm glad you weren't hurt, touching off TWO .44s at a time would be a little tough. It is amazing that the revolver was not broken. It says a lot for their toughness. Were you using handloads or factory loads at the time?
 
Revolvers are more idiot proof that's for sure. But I'm not sure if that should count against the Semi Auto, or the idiot.

I shoot, own and enjoy both. Semi Autos are more sensitive to ammunition and proper shooting form. However, they are more resilient to hard handling with the ejector rod of a revolver being the fragile point. Interestingly enough, in my 15 years of handgun shooting, the only handguns that have ever malfunctioned to the point that they couldn't be shot were 2 S&W revolvers of varying age. One was due to the ejector rod unscrewing and the other I don't know it was internal and was sent back to S&W for repair. I'm a black hole of good luck though.
 
I recall one revolver failure that was rather interesting.... A young officer who had just recently joined the force showed me the off-duty revolver he'd been carrying for several weeks. A Colt Detective Special. I looked it over and asked him if he'd fired it yet. He said he hadn't had time to go to the range.
I pointed out that he would have been rather disappointed; the firing pin was cleanly broken off at the hammer....
No idea how he did it.
 
Shann, I was using handloads and fairly 'warm' ones too. You can bet after that and when reloading, I trash canned any/all brass that accepted a new primer, IMO, too easily. I've been handloading for 60 plus years and that was a first for me with that sort of malfunction. Every time I load large caliber handgun ammo now, I recall that very loud 'Whoo-Whoom!' when those two rounds let go almost simultaneously. The kick wasn't that bad since I regularly shoot a pair of BFR 45-70 revolvers and my loads with those, math wise, figure out to about 3.7 times a 44 mag. Now if one of them double fired I'd be a casualty for sure. LOL
 
wintermute, I doubt you'd want to carry a revolver, especially a ruger, concealed. Just too much weight and heft, also slower to reload in a SHTF situation. I once in a great while pack a S&W Chief's special concealed, a five shot 38 with 2" barrel. But that's only when I'm leaving the house in a hurry and don't want to fool around with a belt holster, extra mag pouch, etc. The S&W has a side clip which slips over my pant's waistband when the revolver is between pants and me so no holster required. Still, even that small S&W is thicker and bulkier than a small auto. My usual concealed carry autos are either a Kahr 40 or a Polish P64 in 9 Makarov. Both are thin, easy to conceal, and IMO reliable. I've also heard good things about the new Ruger small 380 auto and they're fairly reasonable in price. The damned Kahr was almost $600 dealer price and the P64, a surplus Polish military arm, was $149. Bear in mind if you have to deploy and use your concealed firearm, it will be taken in evidence and you won't see it again for a very long time if ever, thus my reason for the high quality but cheap P64.
 
Skinny Joe, I have a Ruger Blackhawk, one of the old three screw models in 45 Colt with an additional 45 ACP cylinder. I absolutely L O V E the old girl and shoot it frequently. It pops out 45 ACP as though it was weak loaded 38 Special and is a joy to shoot. At various times, I've also owned Blackhawks in 357/9mm and they were also gems. In fact, dog-gone you!, now that you've brought it up, I need to get myself another Ruger with 357/9 cylinders. IMO you can't beat 'em.

I also recently acquired a new Blackhawk in 30 Carbine, six inch barrel. Also fun to shoot but you really need your earmuffs because it is loud. Right now, I'm cooking up a batch of 30 Carbine ammo for it but using sabots and 40 grain 223 bullets. These chrono almost 3,000 fps from the Ruger and are acceptably accurate. I want to see if I can come up with a handy-dandy coyote killer that's easy to pack.
 
I march to a different beat, I actually prefered the look and feel of the Taurus, so I bought it, and slightly modified it. My dad has a S&W, Highway Patrolman, its nice too, both have run flawlessly.

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wintermute, I doubt you'd want to carry a revolver, especially a ruger, concealed.

Unfortunately, I live in New York, where the state government, in it's infinite wisdom, has decided to protect us, the idiot citizenry, from ourselves by only allowing carry permits to those who travel with a lot of money for work or are famous. So I'm looking for a house and range gun. I've fired a Glock (I couldn't stand the trigger, and I don't like the trigger safety) and a S&W 686 (Nice!). My thoughts are to look into some sort of 1911, a S&W 686, Ruger
GP100, or the least practical, but damn they're nice - a Ruger Vaguero in .357. I think I'll most likely go with the auto, especially since the NYS legislature tried almost successfully to ban semi-auto (w/ detachable mag) pistols and rifles this year.
 
wintermute,
Sorry, I misunderstood and thought you were buying for concealed carry. Since you want basically a 'house' gun, you couldn't go wrong with a Ruger GP 100. I have two of them and I could probably hide, standing up, behind the piles of spent brass they've had through them. A GP 100 will outlast you, that's for sure. They're hell for strong, utterly reliable, and become really sweet shooters after a bit of breaking in.

As someone else observed in this thread, Rugers often don't have a super fine finish and might be a tad stiff out of the box but they break in quick. BTW, I recommend stainless steel rather than blued, a lot less maintenance over the long haul. Barrel length is up to you, but a four incher is probably best for the needs you cited.

Brief true tale. I had a guy come into my gunshop years back wanting to sell a GP 100, blued with six inch barrel. He was asking a reasonable price so I bought it. A week or two later, my son in law and I went out to the desert to shoot and I took the 'new' Ruger along. My SIL had never fired one so he asked if he could and I said 'sure.'

He loaded up and went over to one side to shoot while I was still fussing about with several other guns, ammo, and so on. He fired 12 rounds or so and came back where I was with a rather stunned expression on his face. I asked if something was wrong and he said, 'No, but you have to try this gun! It just shoots and hits exactly where you want to!' I chuckled and said, 'yeah, sure.' But I did load up and fire the Ruger. Damn! He was right.

Every so often but rarely and for unknown reasons, you luck into a gun that, for lack of a better term, is somehow a natural shooter and this Ruger was one of them. It's a simplification, of course, but all it seemed you had to do was look at something, bring up that totally stock Ruger, pull the trigger, and that's where the bullet went! I had planned to sell it and make a few bucks. Instead, it immediately became a prized possession and still is. I have the identical make/model in stainless and it is not half the shooter the old blue one is. I can't explain it but it does happen.
 
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