Rick Hinderer sent Cease and Desist to Youtuber for saying the steel was soft in his knife?

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NebulaMask said:
I didn't say otherwise. That still doesn't mean that things in a cease and desist can't trash the person it's sent to.
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So? Like I said, it isn’t legally binding. It’s just a demand from an attorney. What is your issue with it, specifically? That you think cease and desist letters shouldn’t be permitted?
 
Quiet said:
It's crazy to me how broke this guy is. I mean, his knives are the best ever, far better than every production knife or even semi-production knife made. What are those dudes doing that he's not doing?

LMAO
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This is an interesting rhetorical question. Would: "cutting corners to make more money" be a legitimate rhetorical answer? I am not leveling that accusation, I am just saying that TKs finances, such as they may be, would perhaps suggest more authenticity, not less.

I don't agree with everything he's done, but this is a guy obsessing over every knife detail, heat treating and personally grinding knives in a garage. I don't believe he is perpetrating some huge fraud on the public. I don't understand the vitriol.
 
Paratrooper06 said:
So? Like I said, it isn’t legally binding. It’s just a demand from an attorney. What is your issue with it, specifically? That you think cease and desist letters shouldn’t be permitted?
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Don't know where you got that from. My original point was that even though something might be legal that doesn't make it ethicial/moral/whatever to do so and people are free to come to their own opinions on that.
 
NebulaMask said:
Don't know where you got that from. My original point was that even though something might be legal that doesn't make it ethicial/moral/whatever to do so and people are free to come to their own opinions on that.
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How is it not ethical/moral to challenge the assertion of an amateur Instagram provocateur challenging the way you run your business when you have certification from a 3rd party professional that the knives are within tolerances? Explain.
 
Hackenslash said:
DEAL!

IF you promise to post a photo essay titled “I survived the savage wild with a sub-optimal XM-18”!
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Absolutely! :thumbsup:

There will be so many photos of it surviving abusive use in the woods you won't even know where to begin. :cool:
And a few photos of it spreading peanut butter on toast, because you never know what horrors the day will bring your way...

I'll even post photographic evidence of me failing to sharpen it with a file (due to the blade being hardened properly), because, you know, science. ;)
 
SCTorrero said:
This is an interesting rhetorical question. Would: "cutting corners to make more money" be a legitimate rhetorical answer? I am not leveling that accusation, I am just saying that TKs finances, such as they may be, would perhaps suggest more authenticity, not less.

I don't agree with everything he's done, but this is a guy obsessing over every knife detail, heat treating and personally grinding knives in a garage. I don't believe he is perpetrating some huge fraud on the public. I don't understand the vitriol.
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You’re making a lot of assumptions. Why should he get the benefit of the doubt just because he’s the little guy? Are the assertions of little people above reproach?
 
Paratrooper06 said:
How is it not ethical/moral to challenge the assertion of an amateur Instagram provocateur challenging the way you run your business when you have certification from a 3rd party professional that the knives are within tolerances? Explain.
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Seems like quite a few people don't like that a large maker is going after some one that's working out of a garage and take issue with the power dynamics that are being used to stifle speech of the little guy in their opinion. I'm personally fine with both sides opinions on this. You think it was a good move of RH, fine. Think it was a bad move, fine. I only take issue with the argument that since it's legal no one should be saying anything negative about the decision to do this.
 
stabman said:
Absolutely! :thumbsup:

There will be so many photos of it surviving abusive use in the woods you won't even know where to begin. :cool:
And a few photos of it spreading peanut butter on toast, because you never know what horrors the day will bring your way...
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You, Sir, make Bear Grylls look like a wilting daisy.
 
NebulaMask said:
Seems like quite a few people don't like that a large maker is going after some one that's working out of a garage and take issue with the power dynamics that are being used to stifle speech of the little guy in their opinion. I'm personally fine with both sides opinions on this. You think it was a good move of RH, fine. Think it was a bad move, fine. I only take issue with the argument that since it's legal no one should be saying anything negative about the decision to do this.
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So the truth finally emerges.. “make things in a garage” = “noble and virtuous”… “large maker” = “greedy fat cat”.

What, you think Rick never made a knife in a garage?
 
While I love his products, and understand his point… I must say this Only ends bad for Hinderer… not sure why he even bothered to get this petty. Should’ve just ignored the gnat, now he’s just brought attention and subs / likes / etc to him.

Just my 2 cents. Be safe my friends!
 
Paratrooper06 said:
So the truth finally emerges.. “make things in a garage” = “noble and virtuous”… “large maker” = “greedy fat cat”.

What, you think Rick never made a knife in a garage?
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I'm stating the framing/position of what seems to be the majority opinion of one of the sides in this. I didn't say small makers are noble and virtuous or that a large maker is a greedy fat cat nor that Rick has never made a knife in a garage. Please don't put words in my mouth. I'm saying there is more than one way to look at this that isn't just RH is just defending his business and viewing it through another lens shows why one might take issue with all of this even if it's legal.
 
NebulaMask said:
I disagree. Having the right to do something doesn't mean people can't judge those actions as morally/ethically wrong or whatever. Court of public opinion matters as well, just not inside a courtroom (well it shouldn't but lets be real, it does there too esp. if the public opinion is on a large scale).
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A lawsuit would take place inside a courtroom, sooooo....

And again, we're talking about someone not wanting to apologize to someone else.
 
SCTorrero said:
This is an interesting rhetorical question. Would: "cutting corners to make more money" be a legitimate rhetorical answer? I am not leveling that accusation, I am just saying that TKs finances, such as they may be, would perhaps suggest more authenticity, not less.

I don't agree with everything he's done, but this is a guy obsessing over every knife detail, heat treating and personally grinding knives in a garage. I don't believe he is perpetrating some huge fraud on the public. I don't understand the vitriol.
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The vitriol probably comes from the fact that TK called RHK out publicly on his social media platform and is now crying and cranking up a GoFundMe because RHK sent him a mean letter because TK called RHK out publicly on his social media platform.

I have to admit that I find this whole thing entertaining. Hell, KnifeCritiques on IG is making fun of both parties over it.
 
NebulaMask said:
I'm stating the framing/position of what seems to be the majority opinion of one of the sides in this. I didn't say small makers are noble and virtuous or that a large maker is a greedy fat cat nor that Rick has never made a knife in a garage. Please don't put words in my mouth. I'm saying there is more than one way to look at this that isn't just RH is just defending his business and viewing it through another lens shows why one might take issue with all of this even if it's legal.
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Watch this video, see what Rick Hinderer is really about, and tell me he’s a “large maker” picking on the little guy. TK went about this whole thing all wrong. He did it because he thought he was going to blow the lid off some conspiracy to cut corners at RHK and he’s all over Instagram doubling down on it with all his groupies posting in support and bashing RHK. It won’t end well for him, and any lawyer worth paying is just going to tell him to take it down and apologize. He literally has nothing to go off of in court except “derrr I tested the hardness of 12 knives and one was out of stated range”. It ain’t enough.

 
Quiet said:
A lawsuit would take place inside a courtroom, sooooo....

And again, we're talking about someone not wanting to apologize to someone else.
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Again, public opinion does matter in a courtroom in various ways even though it shouldn't. Just like funding shouldn't matter in a courtroom but it does and that's related to public opinion/how well one side might be able to raise funds. If it's a large enough public opinion that can mess with trying to select an unbiased jury (although I highly doubt that'll come into play with this one should it go to court). It's not so simple as to say well it's in court so public opinion doesn't matter. That's a very idealized/simplistic (I don't mean that in a derogatory way) version of how things work.
Different people put different weight on speech. Framing it as just not wanting to apoligize is one way to put it. Another would be that one side is trying to remove and compell speech. Just depends on how you view things and the values people have.
 
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