Rick Hinderer sent Cease and Desist to Youtuber for saying the steel was soft in his knife?

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The whole situation displeases mighty Toadin

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Quiet said:
Yeah, I don't believe you either, sorry (not sorry).
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To test HRC, I take my Spyderco GB1 and repeatedly stab it into the flat of any blade, if it doesn’t dimple, it’s a keeper. If it does, then it goes in the trash where it belongs. So far all I have is a GB1 and a trash can full of dimpled knives and shattered dreams. All hail M4; all hail Gayle Bradley.
 
Knives&Lint said:
I used to rather enjoy watching YouTube knife content, but I'm finding that this is becoming the case less and less. More often now it seems to be sessions of people getting slobbed on by their fanbase for an hour and a half, or a half dozen reviews a week of knives being churned out of a region I have no interest in purchasing knives from. My point here is to question how much of this is driven by the need for content and views. Call me old school (I'm only 45), but I hearken back to a time when being cool with people was cool and drama was considered bi*** sh**, and it was highly frowned upon to find it necessary to talk down on the next man to promote yourself. If TK can produce superior blades to production knives, great, I'm all for it; if so let the product speak for itself.
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This sums up my thoughts as well, good post sir.
 
Ryan Stoltman said:
If stating your questioning intellect is an insult then the world has gotten softer than I even thought.

White knight? I’m here for civil discourse on a subject that has engulfed my hobby. I don’t know Rick or Transparent, but I see something I think is wrong. And as many people have already said if saying something you don’t like about a maker or what they are doing is picking a fight then we’ve all done it. But most makers don’t throw a hissy fit and try to turn nothing into a fight.
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OK I can play that game. I question the intellect and motives of anyone who pops up in a here fresh off the street up of the street and vigorously advocate for a dirtbag youtuber like the one that sparked this thread; he's a scuzzy no nothing clown about to learn about writing checks with your mouth that your ass can't cover and I say his followers and supports are just as morally lacking.

If his game is to "make knives better" he can hoe his own garden first. If your game is say anyone who thinks Rick Hinderer is wrong with a questionable intellect I'm putting my whole stake on Rick's side of the table.

I can explain it to you; but I can't understand it for you.
 
Leaving aside the underlying dispute, I have an issue with the go fund me thing. A few actually.

Primarily, I think some are donating based on the perception that TK has been “sued” by RH. It’s just not true. There is no lawsuit that I am aware of (at this time). There may never be a lawsuit.

I don’t think TK is pushing that narrative, but I think he should be doing more to clear up that misapprehension. If people still want to donate for a possible future lawsuit, fine. If you’re accepting money, I think there is a duty to go out of your way to be clear about such things, imo.
 
Murdamook said:
To test HRC, I take my Spyderco GB1 and repeatedly stab it into the flat of any blade, if it doesn’t dimple, it’s a keeper. If it does, then it goes in the trash where it belongs. So far all I have is a GB1 and a trash can full of dimpled knives and shattered dreams. All hail M4; all hail Gayle Bradley.
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I’ve recently learned of a guy that can reblade all those knives in your trash can. Word on the ‘gram is he’s the bestest to ever be the best.
 
3D Anvil said:
You're grossly exaggerating what Brian said. He's owned multiple Hinderers and his main complaint applies to nearly all big producers. But to answer your question, I wouldn't have shrugged my shoulders. I would have said, "I'm sorry if you got an out-of-spec blade. Send it in, and if we can confirm on our equipment I'll replace it free of charge." And you know what? If he had done that, I'm quite sure Brian would have made another video praising Rick's excellent customer service and lauding RHK for standing behind their product.

Quite the opposite. Instead of looking like a thin-skinned ahole, I'd come off looking like a class act and it would only serve to improve my bottom line.
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Almost everyone here is grossly exaggerating what Brian said lol that's the part I find irritating. Yes he said a few things out of line such as calling him a garbage maker, but the next day he apologized and retracted that comment because he said it out of reaction to Rick calling him an incompetent nobody basically. I'd lash out too if someone discredited me without contacting me first. (He did state that Rick was supposed to have someone reach out and talk to him about the situation as well, which never happened and led to the comments about him not knowing what he was doing by Rick's group).

But, the entire point was he stated his opinion, being that 20CV at those numbers is not optimal for the steel. I get the argument for why it's ran that low, being they're hard use knives and it helps aid in a little bit of toughness when the hardness is that low, but when it comes down to the point of those numbers being suboptimal for that specific steel, there's absolutely nothing wrong with having that opinion.

I just wish if people were gonna choose to shit on TK, they at least be truthful about what he said. Don't just bullshit and say he did all this and acted like he knew better than Rick, etc. He never claimed to be better than anyone. He even said he appreciates and enjoys Rick's work. That doesn't mean he cant have an opinion on the knives. But anyway, this is one big shitshow regardless.
 
Danke42 said:
OK I can play that game. I question the intellect and motives of anyone who pops up in a here fresh off the street up of the street and vigorously advocate for a dirtbag youtuber like the one that sparked this thread; he's a scuzzy no nothing clown about to learn about writing checks with your mouth that your ass can't cover and I say his followers and supports are just as morally lacking.

If his game is to "make knives better" he can hoe his own garden first. If your game is say anyone who thinks Rick Hinderer is wrong with a questionable intellect I'm putting my whole stake on Rick's side of the table.

I can explain it to you; but I can't understand it for you.
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This is the white knighting you were speaking of no?

Vigorously advocating? I made a single post, have only got BS response’s from you and other trolls sans 1 but that guy thought I was being mean somehow.

Maybe Transprent is all of the (actual) insults. I have seen him give stuff away he thinks aren’t good enough. Again seen, as I don’t collect the knives he reblades but that seems pretty stand up to me. But from a distance not knowing either of them, I wouldn’t call either of them the things you called Transparent. At most I would call RH petty.

You obviously have a lot more emotionally invested in one of these two than I do either. You’re not the civil discourse I was hoping for.

Have a good night. And keep up the good fight Knight.
 
Lee D said:
I kinda wish Peters would get involved and turn this crap into a 2 on 1 Hell in the Cell death match.
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There’s been clear pettiness on both sides of this. No damage was done to RHK by TK initially. Most of the people replying on his social media were already not going to buy a Hinderer, as stated emphatically by most of them. Rick’s moderator replied to it, TK was offended by their assertions, and so it went. I have been objective throughout this thread, but Rick is more than willing to lower himself to internet drama. I have seen multiple interactions between him and members of his FB group and had interactions with him that are more than enough to indicate this, in my opinion. Both Spyderco and Benchmade took guff for their initial M390 offerings and never really responded to the noise; no drama followed. I think it’s likely that Peters just doesn’t give a shit because they’re unlikely to lose any business at this point.
 
Ryan Stoltman said:
If you actually followed this from the beginning you’d see he’s been honest from the start. But Hinderer and his buddy got mad about a little bad pub that would have blown over in a day and thought they could intimidate Transparent. That didn’t work so he’s trying again through litigation.

Considering the fact Bohler themselves say it should be heat treated 60-62 makes a pretty weak argument for RHK against what Transparent has been saying all along. It won’t be too hard for a decent lawyer to get this thrown out. Its just sad and embarrassing he is making a guy who lives at home and mods knives in a garage jump through these hoops. All RHK has done is create a bigger mess for himself by this engaging in this BS lawsuit.

Rick Hinderer is doubling down on the Streisand effect and it’s wild to watch it unfold.
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A C&D letter is not litigation. It is a warning.

It makes no difference that Bohler says in this matter. The product was created as the maker had advertised. If this was a regular customer grumbling then this would be a non issue.
 
Bloodloss said:
Dude just posted he doesn't care about his hardness readings and that the blade could very well be in spec. So what the heck is the issue over anyway? His opinions? I don't get it. TK blabbing about his actual hardness readings on a Hinderer product in my opinion is really the only thing that could get him in trouble and that was exactly the focus of the letter. Am I missing something? Or was the guy really publicly insinuating the blade was out of spec and now he's walking it back pretending like all he did was talk about his opinions on Hinderer's utilization of M390 & 20cv? This whole thing is odd. And did you guys read that letter? TK has to apologize and say he regrets all of his statements? What a circus!
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That's exactly all this is. The whole point was that he stated his opinions on the steel not performing the best at the temperatures RHK runs it at. That's the main basis of the argument. But people aren't truthful about it and want to just jump on the hate bandwagon, just to shit on him. As I stated above he did say some sideways things and took them back, apologized and posted that apology as part of a video the next day. But he's still allowed to have his opinions.
 
MolokaiRider said:
A C&D letter is not litigation. It is a warning.

It makes no difference that Bohler says in this matter. The product was created as the maker had advertised. If this was a regular customer grumbling then this would be a non issue.
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First I am not a lawyer but you are correct from, from what I understand, a C&D letter itself is just a warning but the wording in it required TK to say things he obviously wasn't going to say. Which is a clear path to litigation if RH wants to take action.

I think the fact RH doesn't even start in the 'optimal' range from Bohler and 'optimal' is the term has been TK has been using from the start would justify bringing that point up if it got to litigation. Also I think what was originally said has been twisted and blown up so much that it will be thrown out either way.
 
RyanSean97 said:
Proof doesn't matter when it goes against Rick Hinderer fanboys. That seems to be the theme of this thread thus far.
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I'm no Hinderer fanboy and I don't own any of his knives. Full disclosure, I do own a Kershaw Cryo that sits in my wife's car glove box.

But there are all kinds of questions that pop up. How do we know that TransparentKnives did the Rockwell test correctly? How do we know that the blade wasn't compromised earlier? Not to mention how convenient it is that he threw away the blade in question. Lastly, it's cowardly to jump onto a forum and post what you want and then put your fingers in your ears and say that you don't plan on responding to anything. Yet he was concerned enough to post here in the first place.
 
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