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Ripped off by Dale Reif

Discussion in 'Hall of Shame' started by john sage, May 2, 2003.

  1. john sage

    john sage Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Jul 16, 2001
    To all knife collectors, enthusiasts, and designers:


    Yes, I am sorry to say, it is true; Dale Reif stole over $1100.00 from me. For the last year I have been after Dale to either deliver the knives he promised to build, or refund the money I sent him. He refuses to do either. Now, he won't flat out say "No", he is too chicken **** for that, but like anyone who has been unfortunate enough to deal with this POS will know, it is just one excuse after another. If it isn't lost materials, or a delay at heat treat, its cancer or a pending divorce(yes, he did use cancer and divorce as excuses). I have been incredibley patient waiting and waiting, getting excuse after excuse.

    Dale had built six or seven knives for me with no problems other than a little shoddy workmanship, but it was cheap so I overlooked that. But after several deals that he actually made good on, he just stopped, while he still owed me over $1100.00 in knives. I had prepaid for another prototype to be made, and sent Dale money that a freind of mine paid to buy an Atrox. Dale never came through with the Atrox and after months of having to tell me friend excuses, I paid him back out of my pocket. Subsequently, Dale agreed to build another prototyoe in place of the Atrox he so flagrantly flaked on. A little while later after Dale had missed yet another deadline, I spoke to him on the phone and he assured me all was well, and he would be getting my knives to me soon. Well, one month turned into several, and now we are at the one year mark, still no knives or a refund, amazing huh? To think, I tried so hard to get California knife shops to buy from Dale. I pushed his knives to Plaza Cutlery, We Be Knives, Walton's Saw, and other shops, and what is my thanks?

    Well, I am not one to stand by and take it in the shorts from a cop turned thief, so I have filed charges of mail fraud against Dale with the US Postal Inspectors. The paperwork is in process as I write this, and while I doubt I'll ever get anything from Reif, perhaps the Postal Inspectors can arrange a little vacation for him, courtesy of the federal government. Hey Dale, any idea what happens to cops on the other side of the bars??? You are going to find out! I have copies of all the emails I sent and recieved, copies of the money orders, etc...

    I invite Dale to come to this forum and defend himself, but I won't hold my breath. He is a coward, and a thief, and I would be surprised if he is man enough to face the truth in this forum.

    My reputation is golden, ask anyone I have ever dealt with. Ask Dan Delavan, Intruder, Larry Brahms, Larry Davidson, Allen Elishewitz, Jeff Hall, Huntington, Lifter, MtMike, Bart Weijs, Glokman99, Jerry Busse, Surfin' Ronin and all the other people I have dealt with, I pay in advance, and my word is as good as gold. I am a man of my word, unlike that slug Reif.

    The biggest pity of this whole thing is that after dealing with strangers for so long, people I had only emailed, and trusted them with thousands of dollars worth of knives, I have finally been ripped off, and by an ex-cop of all people. Hell, I even dealt with an ex-con here who had more integrity than Dale, what does that tell you? So, my friends this is a warning to you all, don't get Reif'd.

    Since Dale has not replied to my last three emails, and I don't feel like wasting any more money calling him, I can only guess that his gall bladder burst, or that something else catastrophic has happened, and therefore I am left to the only conclusion, that after a year of trying to get what I paid for in advance, I have been ripped off.

    Dale, I am accusing you of being a dirty thief, are you going to be man enough to prove me wrong? Make good on what YOU said you would do, be a man for once in your life, and I will tell everyone you came through.

    And if you do show up here, leave the excuses at the door, this isn't the 5th grade any more.

  2. TheBadGuy


    Jul 24, 2002
    Sorry to hear you have been ripped off for such a large amount of money. Hopefully with enough pressure from the postal inspectors and knife collectors, you will get your money back. Every think of filing a BBB complaint as well?? A full time knifemaker is a business. They may not be that helpful, but they send out an inquiry to him very fast where we is required to respond. I doubt we will hear from him here. His last post was on 11-24-2001
  3. wolfmann601

    wolfmann601 Gone, but not forgotton. RIP Ira.

    Mar 12, 2001
    Is Dale a Guild member or member of the ABS? If he is, can you file a complaint?

    I sure hope Dale responds and resolves this a little quicker than he has other issues in the past concerning his knives...........
  4. GigOne


    Nov 27, 1999
    Feel your pain john sage !

    I hope that you're able to recover what belongs to you ! !
  5. john sage

    john sage Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Jul 16, 2001
    Dale is not a member of the ABS or the guild, they wouldn't have him. This has been going on for a year, I doubt Dale will be in a hurry to resolve this, but I just wish I could be there when he gets the first notice from the Postal Inspectors.
  6. Cougar Allen

    Cougar Allen Buccaneer (ret.)

    Oct 9, 1998
  7. Keith Montgomery

    Keith Montgomery

    May 9, 2000
    This sucks big time, but it is a very good lesson to all of us never to pay upfront for a knife you put on order. As Les Robertson posted on another thread.

  8. L. Uebelein

    L. Uebelein

    Aug 2, 2002
    I agree with Les. An extremely well known knife maker was very responsive to my emails but after I sent him a required sizable down payment it seems he doesnt like to respond to my emails anymore.Sad as it is, it makes me laugh.
  9. cpirtle

    cpirtle Leathercrafter Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Mar 28, 2001
    I vowed to never buy a knife from Reif when I found out he had substituted real Carbon Fiber with CF patterned Concealex in the inlays on a limited run of knives he did a while back (the model excapes me..).

    That just struck me as being the ultimate in arrogance, not to mention the assumption that the knife buying public is that dumb.

    Sorry to hear you are getting screwed.
  10. nifrand

    nifrand Custom Knife Forum Mod

    Feb 25, 1999
    Mr Sage,tell us how you really feel.Don't sugarcoat it this time.
  11. Dawkind

    Dawkind Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Apr 3, 2000
    ....but he did the same thing to me a couple of years ago. I was lucky enough, I guess, to live a few hours away and told him that I'd be more than happy to take the day off, make the drive to Wichita, and 'settle the matter'.

    I had paid up front for a new balisong he was going to offer and ordered it with Damascus, etc., so it was over $600. After waiting months on end, many e-mails, excuses, broken promises, and numerous delivery dates, I was finally able to get my money back (see above)..........

    I have to admit that I'm being an a$$hole because I told him I would never say anything about the incident but after seeing the same thing happen again, and probably many other times since, I feel badly that I didn't say something before..........sorry.

  12. john sage

    john sage Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Jul 16, 2001
    Thanks all, maybe a few notes from forum members letting Dale know how you feel would help. You can reach the slug at

    [email protected]

    Just don't expect a response!!!!
  13. Keith Montgomery

    Keith Montgomery

    May 9, 2000
    I sent him an email yesterday letting him know that this thread was here and that he should come and tell his side of the story. I also provided him with a link. I got an email back that said "Thank you", but it seems that he does not want come here to explain his actions or defend himself in any way. That says volumes to me.
  14. Shiit...I just spoke with Dale regarding the knife I ordered from him..he says its ready by Thurday next week. Ill keep ya updated. I should have it by next weekend or Monday..After reading this post I called Dale and left a message..I rec,d a call back within the next 15 mn. I told him about my concern because many people were trashing him on this forum..FYI
  15. crosman177


    Jan 21, 2002
    I looked at his site ( www.angelfire.com/ks/reif ) and I must say, they are some nice knives. Tobad he hasnt come thru.

    " If you choose to have a knife made, I will require a small deposit. I will give you a tentative date of shipment... ..." :rolleyes:

    Contact Information:
    Dale A. Reif
    2107 N. Sunrise Ave.
    Wichita, KS 67235

    Phone: (316)796-0903

    E-mail: [email protected]

  16. FrankDL

    FrankDL Gold Member Gold Member

    May 15, 2001
    Hmmmm....I sent Dale check for $75 with my MPF-5 for refinishing 2 1/2 months ago and haven't heard anything since then. My check was cashed last month. Considering what I've heard here, I think I'll give Dale a call.:( Thanks for your posting on this situation John.

  17. john sage

    john sage Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Jul 16, 2001
    Let us know what he says, will you. And if you sent you check via US Mail, guess what, more charges of mail fraud. Looks like Dale is going to have a bad year. All he has to do is be a man, and give me a refund and this will all go away. Hmmmmmm, seems pretty cut and dried to me.
  18. for the record..I also paid with a USPS money order..
  19. Keith Montgomery

    Keith Montgomery

    May 9, 2000
    Dale has probably spent your money and doesn't have any to send you a refund. That is one of the big problems with paying for a knife up front. The other is that the maker no longer has any motivation to make the knife.
  20. jaiden


    Nov 4, 2000
    I too spoke with dale on 5/3/03. I needed to know some info on a particular knife. He seemed fine, but at the time I hadn't read this thread.:confused:

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