RMJ Tactical prices (wtf?)

As far as what price they sell to the civilian market goes, I couldn't care less. Anything ever made is only worth as much or as little as what its market will bear, and companies adjust accordingly. High prices during feast times and lower prices during the famines. Their forged 4140 Chrome Molly Alloy Shrikes were a horse of a different color when they came out. They are amazing tools and the production costs and warranty actually justified the price in pretty much everyone's opinion that ever put one through hell, and I did several of them. Mr. Johnson once said, several years ago, that one of the reasons his prices were so high was that, and I am paraphrasing here but trying to get as close to the quote as I remember him saying during an interview in relation to complaints from civilians about the limited availability, no civilian has a justifiable need for one of these tools, our target market is the US military and our first responders. We want to provide them with the best tools we can, at the best pricing we can, in as timely a manner as we can. He said another factor in the pricing was, and this was right after the attack at the theater in Aurora Colorado in 2012, that one of his biggest concerns was turning on the television and finding out one of his hawks had been used in a similar massacre. So their goal was to take care of the military market, and the civilians could go buy Cold Steel or Estwing or whatever else they liked he didn't care. The thing I find disappointing about it now is that they have switched to all CNC production, and have in the case of some of their hawks moved to a less expensive steel that according to the data I have seen is less tough than 4140 and I personally wouldn't want a Shrike made from it if I planed to use it the way I have tested the 4140. Maybe they're just following the pharmaceutical formula of getting in their licks before the inevitable new kid in town shows up, but it appears they may be going the same route SOG went when they lowered their production costs by moving from the US and Seki Japan facilities to primarily Taiwanese and Chinese production, and then raised their pricing significantly with a target market of the US military. I guess only time will tell if it will have the same effect on how seriously RMJ is taken in the market place in the future as that sort of thing had on how a lot of people view SOG today compared to the 90s. But just looking back at what happened between a certain big box store and a certain former US knife maker (maybe more than one but one in particular), what has happened with SOG, both of which were at one time two of my favorite knife companies, as well as what has happened to several other knife companies over the years that many today don't even know existed... but greed runs rampant in the world today, and over time greed seems to have a penchant for devaluing, diminishing, and destroying everything it touches.
I had 2 shrikes and an eagle talon, I sold them all. My user was a shrike and I put it through the paces pretty damn good. I liked it very much. I have been out of the rmj loop for awhile I hadn't heard about him switching steels, are you sure you aren't thinking of his collab with CRKT? CRKT makes it (well, actually crkt don't make squat lol) and Ryan just designed it. I'm a machinist by trade and I can appreciate quality machining, I'm just not impressed with the very mundane machining so many people are doing and selling for ridiculous prices.

When I eventually get my machine shop up and running, we'll stand out from the crowd ;)
 
I had 2 shrikes and an eagle talon, I sold them all. My user was a shrike and I put it through the paces pretty damn good. I liked it very much. I have been out of the rmj loop for awhile I hadn't heard about him switching steels, are you sure you aren't thinking of his collab with CRKT? CRKT makes it (well, actually crkt don't make squat lol) and Ryan just designed it. I'm a machinist by trade and I can appreciate quality machining, I'm just not impressed with the very mundane machining so many people are doing and selling for ridiculous prices.

When I eventually get my mahcine shop up and running, we'll stand out from the crowd ;)

Atleast some of the Jenny Wrens and mini Jennies are made of 80CRV2 and they have made some Kestrels and Shrikes out of it. There was talk at one time about switching to it across the board and just no longer engraving the steel type or the date on the hawks in the future. I've tested both steels, I don't want an 80CRV2 Shrike for the applications I would want a Shrike on hand for.

On another note, as for the knives go Mr. Johnson was making knives and had a table at Blade when he was still going to high school, long before RMJ Tactical was even conceptualized.
 
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Atleast some of the Jenny Wrens and mini Jennies are made of 80CRV2 and they have made some Kestrels and Shrikes out of it. There was talk about switching to it across the board at one time. I've tested both steels, I don't want an 80CRV2 Shrike for the applications I would want a Shrike on hand for.

On another note, as for the knives go Mr. Johnson was making knives and had a table at Blade when he was still going to high school, long before RMJ Tactical was even conceptualized.
Ah, I'm familiar with 80crv2 I had a Winkler in that steel. Between 4140 and 80crv2 I'd rather the forged 4140 too. I machine an armor called 12560 and I think it would make an effing amazing hawk, I actually have a bunch of it for when I get around to making stuff.

Now that you mention it I do remember seeing something a long time ago about Ryan and making knives.
 
I machine an armor called 12560 and I think it would make an effing amazing hawk, I actually have a bunch of it for when I get around to making stuff.

I have only read about it, and only a little so far, but I would love to play with it in some disconstruction applications.
 
I wasn't able to read all 9 pages but to answer the original question. NO. However, it would be great if they were cheaper but it seams more than enough people are willing to pay for it, so its not over priced. I was just in the process of ordering an RMJ Unmei knife and figured it would be an easy thing to do since several were available not that long ago (as I recall anyway) and to my disappointment the one I wanted was sold out. I did end up getting one on Ebay but would have rather supported a knife company. That knife is not cheap and everyone I know would think I am crazy to pay $250 for it. But I don't piss my money away like they do on fancy drinks and junk like they do. Also, as we all know we can get most or more of our money out of a quality knife if we want to sell it. Its simple, if its too much for you, then purchase something else. Why cut down a company like RMJ for selling their product for what they sell it for when they cant even keep them in stock?

I for one appreciate a USA company producing a quality product no matter what that product is. If they get what they get then more power to them. The price will come down when there is more direct competition. I doubt that will happen too often because it takes skill, drive, intelligence, work ethic, money, time, vision, personality, risk, etc... Try starting a company the size of RMJ and see how long it will take and how difficult it will be. If you don't have experience owning a small to medium sized company you may not think of all the extra costs that go into it. The cost of the knives don't just pay for the CNC operators. It also has to pay for the equipment, which is not cheap, also everyone else that doesn't even take part in making the product but still needs a paycheck as well as rent/mortgage. The great thing is that if they are successful at selling at a high price point they will have the capital to invest in their business and offer even cooler stuff we don't need but have to have.
 
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