Rodent 9 / Scrap yard 911 dilemma

No question as to which I'm after, R9!!! IMHO the R9 Grip is outstanding. Hump, what hump, the hilt design just gives the hand another anchor point. Best design the swamp has launched.
 
Honestly, I believe the Taliwhacker's would be the best fit for your needs.

At 3/16" thick w/ res-c handle it will be light and fast in the hand for self defense while still offering sufficient penetration.

It will also work well enough as a chopper or general utility knife for that matter.

Don't let yourself think that 3/16" is too thin/weak, it would still be VERY difficult to destroy that blade by hand.
 
aaaa_cccc said:
Honestly, I believe the Taliwhacker's would be the best fit for your needs.

At 3/16" thick w/ res-c handle it will be light and fast in the hand for self defense while still offering sufficient penetration.

It will also work well enough as a chopper or general utility knife for that matter.

Don't let yourself think that 3/16" is too thin/weak, it would still be VERY difficult to destroy that blade by hand.
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Oh so true, all so true
 
aaaa_cccc said:
Honestly, I believe the Taliwhacker's would be the best fit for your needs.

At 3/16" thick w/ res-c handle it will be light and fast in the hand for self defense while still offering sufficient penetration.

It will also work well enough as a chopper or general utility knife for that matter.

Don't let yourself think that 3/16" is too thin/weak, it would still be VERY difficult to destroy that blade by hand.
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Tali might be somewhat too light for chopping. Def tuff enuff to baton with.
 
As far as weight, light and nimble in the hand, the M9 LE is the lightest feeling of the group of my large Bussekin blades. That full height grind and counter balanced full tang simply make it alive in hand.

The Rodent 9 feels a bit clunky by comparison, but is plenty lighter feeling than the Busse FBM.

I'd not look too close at the gladius for defense, its so thick and heavy. To be painfully honest, it feels like a steel bar in hand. Not light, not nimble, but very scary to swing as stopping that weight would be difficult and dangerous.

For home defense I'd grab a Rucki, two handed grip, light weight, and the nice pointy profile make it a formidable weapon even in untrained hands. Close quarters, like a hall, this thing would shine.

If you want a do it all bowie, then the M9 is winner hands down, the LE is full height ground, but the saber ground combat grade models are nice as well. They're out there for the finding.
 
worldwood said:
I would suggest Get the waki or rucki if self defense is a main priority. If you have any training with knives I would suggest a smaller more nimble blade like the r6. It's easier to move offensively and defensively with a smaller blade, but if reach is a concern then the waki will take the cake.

The waki is still an amazing chopper for when you need to do that too. Imho anyway
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Anarkistic said:
Hey, yeh ive looked at the rucki - it just seems a bit thin / light weight being 3/16'. Would have loved to get a busse gladius but they are no longer available new.

You are right big knives are hard to use, a fact most people deny. I have an Esee 4 and im in the process of getting a handmade piece (5'-6' blade) from guycep whos supposed to be one of the best custom makers in the uk - can anyone confirm ?
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3/16ths is plenty thick and strong enough. Light is a plus in combat/self defense situations. An old instructor of mine once had us take a baseball bat against his tree switch to prove a simple point. Light and nimble beats heavy and strong. With a knife its more so evident. If its sharp it cuts, id like to be the one wielding the light, fast and nimble blade over the thick scary looking blade honestly.

Im not trying to steer you away by no means, get what you like and enjoy it. I just wanted to let you know for self defense and combat there is other, better options.

leatherman said:
As far as weight, light and nimble in the hand, the M9 LE is the lightest feeling of the group of my large Bussekin blades. That full height grind and counter balanced full tang simply make it alive in hand.

The Rodent 9 feels a bit clunky by comparison, but is plenty lighter feeling than the Busse FBM.

I'd not look too close at the gladius for defense, its so thick and heavy. To be painfully honest, it feels like a steel bar in hand. Not light, not nimble, but very scary to swing as stopping that weight would be difficult and dangerous.

For home defense I'd grab a Rucki, two handed grip, light weight, and the nice pointy profile make it a formidable weapon even in untrained hands. Close quarters, like a hall, this thing would shine.

If you want a do it all bowie, then the M9 is winner hands down, the LE is full height ground, but the saber ground combat grade models are nice as well. They're out there for the finding.
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Another knife id love to have.... The M9le :) what a blade! And no hilt/hump....

And i agree with all of that.
 
elof_alv said:
Tali might be somewhat too light for chopping.
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It definitely won't be ideal for chopping, but the OP said he wouldn't be doing very much chopping. It doesn't make much sense me to get a heavy chopper like the R9, M9, 911 if the primary use will be for self defense.

For primarily self defense applications, I can't think of a better choice than the Taliwhacker LE in the world of Bussekin.
 
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aaaa_cccc said:
Honestly, I believe the Taliwhacker's would be the best fit for your needs.

At 3/16" thick w/ res-c handle it will be light and fast in the hand for self defense while still offering sufficient penetration.

It will also work well enough as a chopper or general utility knife for that matter.

Don't let yourself think that 3/16" is too thin/weak, it would still be VERY difficult to destroy that blade by hand.
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I have to agree. Snap cutting, slashing and thrusting are all things that the Taliwhacker will do better than the R9 and 911. Though I would prefer the Rucki to keep some distance between me and the attacker.

A 3/16 thick piece of steel is VERY hard to hurt in any way. This is not only coming from a knife person, But also as a 20 year machinist. People GREATLY underestimate the strength of steel!
 
worldwood said:
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That would be a tough choice for me as well....Im not a fan of res-c, as far as looks are concerned but im also not sure the rodent 9 would be comfortable with the hump handle.....The rodent 3 hump is fine but the handle is a lot smaller so fingers line up, and its a 3 finger grip on that 1 for me anyway. Im still waiting on my rodent 4, but the rodent 5s handle is spread out and the hump is not positioned in a comfortable place for me personally if i was doing extended or vigorous cutting/chopping. But for a quick cut its no problem of course.

I guess id have to go with the 911 for a user and a r9 as a collector, i don't care for the looks of res-c but i cant deny that it is comfortable in hand, and for use comfort is a huge factor!
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I personally think the new rats are pretty ugly so res-c gets the nod from me as far as looks are concerned. In use, I think micarta is actually a downgrade from res-c. Res-c is IMO the best handle material out there for bigger knives.
worldwood said:
3/16ths is plenty thick and strong enough. Light is a plus in combat/self defense situations. An old instructor of mine once had us take a baseball bat against his tree switch to prove a simple point. Light and nimble beats heavy and strong. With a knife its more so evident. If its sharp it cuts, id like to be the one wielding the light, fast and nimble blade over the thick scary looking blade honestly.

Im not trying to steer you away by no means, get what you like and enjoy it. I just wanted to let you know for self defense and combat there is other, better options.
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I don't know. Did you ever hear about the Ghurka that took out something like 40 armed train hijackers with his kuk? Personally if I had the needs of the OP that's what I'd get. Light and nimble might be best for knife dueling but it's hard to say that it's a better knife when you're defending yourself against a guy who doesn't know how to knife fight. A normal defense response for non-trained people is to stick there arm up to absorb/block the blow. Something that isn't really possible against a knife that can take said arm off.

Edit: From wikepedia;
On September 2, 2010, then 35-year-old Shrestha was on his way to Nepal after retiring from his Gurkha soldier military service whilst 15-40[5][6] armed robbers attacked the train in which he was travelling. The group robbed the passengers of their portable valuables (like money, jewellery, cellular phones and laptops). He intervened using his Khukuri knife when the robbers tried to steal the jewelry of a mother and her 8-year-old daughter[5][7] and prevented them from raping an 18 year-old girl who pleaded for his help.[4][6] Shrestha killed at least three robbers before being subdued[5][7] and may have injured as many as eight in addition to killing the three, causing the thieves to panic and disperse.[4][6] During the battle, he suffered a severe injury to his left arm.
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I haven't heard about that, cool story though. That guy was well trained with that exact weapon.

I can't say anything is better for anyone else. I have defeated in training, a person with a bo staff and all I had was a wooden knife, I have also been defeated with a staff against a wooden knife. Everyone is different and excels at/with different weapons.

Generally speaking a non trained person will do better with something they can maneuver more easily with some reach.

Personally in a self defense situation I'd grab my rmd... But I have trained with knives that size.
 
WHAT.....WHAT.....UGLY?......man.... I disagree in a huge way. I think the rats generally look better than even the busse. But everyone is different I guess.
 
I take anything I read on wiki with a grain of salt. 15 to 40 people is pretty vague. But yes, A highly trained person could do amazing things especially against a bunch of untrained thugs.

I do know that missing with a heavy weapon is hard to rebound from. Personally, In a self defense situation, I'd go for my 40 cal!
 
Just two quick additions,

That story is on more than just Wiki, its true, but he numbers are sketchy because its in a nation without decent communications so exact numbers are not available. The bad guy body count was amazing.

Second, the gun is not an option according to the OP, so its a moot point. In that scenario, anything is a good defense; even a baseball bat or a pointy stick (insert favorite Monty Python joke here) :D
 
Lmao yes your 40 would be ideal. Old wise saying..never take a knife to a gun fight.


But in the event of a close quarter combat scenario a knife in hand is better than a gun in the safe, or even the holster if you move with intent.

And what happens when your children are in the next room...will you shoot and hope it doesn't go thru the walls?

A gun is preferred but there are times a knife is more practical imho.

And the OP says he can't have a gun.
 
I know the OP can't have a gun. I was just being a smart alec. My my only knife training came from from my grandpa when he said don't cut toward yourself. lol!

I'd hope I wouldn't miss at SD range with a flashlight on my 40. As far as over penetration I hope hollow points do their job.
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And yes, A stick or $7 dollar machete from kmart is better than nothing.
 
M9LE all the way! I waited for about a year to get mine and I think I am done looking for a blade in that size range. I had an R9 for about 2 weeks and I liked it a lot. I found the lightning bolt handle shape to be much more comfortable than I thought it would be. Still, I knew the M9 would be the be all end all for me. I can't bring myself to bust out any of my larger Busse blades. Only problem with the LE model is the rust. Then again it gives me a reason to take it out and baby it all the time.
 
I discovered the no gun scenario when we bought our house. There is no safe way to shoot an intruder from our bed room without risking overpenetration into the daughters bedroom. Major rethink!

I've got to get into the red zone, might as well have something that will work every time, and nothing scarier than an old man in his undies, crazed and half asleep with a sword in his hands. :p
 
al g blenny said:
m9le all the way! I waited for about a year to get mine and i think i am done looking for a blade in that size range. I had an r9 for about 2 weeks and i liked it a lot. I found the lightning bolt handle shape to be much more comfortable than i thought it would be. Still, i knew the m9 would be the be all end all for me. I can't bring myself to bust out any of my larger busse blades. Only problem with the le model is the rust. Then again it gives me a reason to take it out and baby it all the time.
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ditto! :D :D :D
 
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