Ron Newton, MS - Feather Damascus Integral NY Special - Just in From Solvang Show

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Kohai999 said:
I like Ron....a lot.....but I don't like this knife.

R.W. Loveless was adamant about many design elements of his knives.....this knife contravenes those elements in that the integral "collar" is absent as on a D. Kressler knife which more closely follows the original design and the odd, hollow looking grind for the integral, rather than being "stepped" as in a Loveless. Lastly, I can't tell from the photo if the grind lines are exceedingly crisp, which is a required element of a Loveless style knife.

Best Regards,

Steven Garsson


The shaping of the wood to the "bolster" is extremely well executed, and a woundrous design element.
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Always great reading your comments, Steven. You always give reason(s) for your opinion, which I really appreciate. I would love to see a pic of a Kressler integral NYS for reference, if you have a link. Not sure I have seen one of those, and if I did, I don't remember it.

BTW, Ron had a somewhat similar knife at the Arkansas show and it was my favorite knife of the show. But I am sure I was looking at it from a different perspective than yours - more as an artistic takeoff inspired by the classic Loveless design. But after reading your posts here over time it seems that you are more of a stickler for the functionality of the knife, which usually is important to me, too. And so I certainly appreciate your opinion on this knife.

Anyway, it is just great to see you postng comments here!
 
Just made it back from Solvang. What a great show. Thank you all very much for the nice compliments. I hope you enjoy the N.Y. Special for years to come Bob. Great seeing old friends and making new ones at the show. Let's visit again at the Blade Show, table 5-O ABS section.

The pin (as with all my keyhole integrals) goes all the way through the top and bottom. I performed some destructive testing on a keyhole model without the pin and was quickly convinced I need to offer an even stronger knife to my customers by installing the through pin. It's kind of like building a new house and not buying insurance. The through pin is the insurance. I'm still old school in my shop. No CNC machines. If it doesn't fit then I file some more. Thanks again.
Ron Newton
 
Congrats Bob on a fine addition. Ron is outstanding and these NYS Inegrals he makes are really cool. I really like these Key Hole Integrals from Ron.

Enjoy, Jon
 
The Virginian said:
Always great reading your comments, Steven. You always give reason(s) for your opinion, which I really appreciate. I would love to see a pic of a Kressler integral NYS for reference, if you have a link. Not sure I have seen one of those, and if I did, I don't remember it.

BTW, Ron had a somewhat similar knife at the Arkansas show and it was my favorite knife of the show. But I am sure I was looking at it from a different perspective than yours - more as an artistic takeoff inspired by the classic Loveless design. But after reading your posts here over time it seems that you are more of a stickler for the functionality of the knife, which usually is important to me, too. And so I certainly appreciate your opinion on this knife.

Anyway, it is just great to see you postng comments here!
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Interesting post.Mr Virginian,how do the differences that Mr Garsson mentioned affect the functionality of the knife.The overall shape of the handle is very similar to the Loveless design and the cutting edge of the knife seems very similar to Mr Loveless's original design.So to hold and cut with this knife should not be way different from someone using a Loveless NY special to cut with.Thank you.
 
The purpose of this thread is to show a nice knife. I've seen too many pissing matches on Blade Forums, so let's not see one started in MY thread, or I'll shut it down.

Thanks,

Bob Betzner
 
thank you Bob, you're a class act all the way.
 
Raj said:
Interesting post.Mr Virginian,how do the differences that Mr Garsson mentioned affect the functionality of the knife.The overall shape of the handle is very similar to the Loveless design and the cutting edge of the knife seems very similar to Mr Loveless's original design.So to hold and cut with this knife should not be way different from someone using a Loveless NY special to cut with.Thank you.
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If you would like to discuss this with me, send me a PM. Thanks.
 
I think the knife looks great. Beautiful feather damascus pattern that really seems to flow with the overall shape of the knife, and complemented by a really great piece of wood. Clean, smooth lines and tight fit & finish all around. Frankly this is the kind of work collectors covet and makers aspire to.

I will say though that the sheath, though very well executed, looks to me a few sizes too big for this knife. The blade seems more suited towards a more discrete form of carry, but hey that's just my opinion.

Speaking of opinions, I've enjoying reading this discussion here as well. I didn't notice any pissing match (did I miss something?), just a few passionate enthusiasts talking about knives. Last I checked, that's what we do here on bladeforums, no?
 
betzner said:
The purpose of this thread is to show a nice knife. I've seen too many pissing matches on Blade Forums, so let's not see one started in MY thread, or I'll shut it down.

Thanks,

Bob Betzner
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Bob....I'm not slagging on your knife....it's a fine knife....but RWL OWNED the NYS moniker, so if the name is going to be used, comparisons are fair game for discussion....It is part function, but mostly aesthetics that differentiate this version from the original, and I just feel that those elements should not be ignored.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
Wulf said:
I think the knife looks great. Beautiful feather damascus pattern that really seems to flow with the overall shape of the knife, and complemented by a really great piece of wood. Clean, smooth lines and tight fit & finish all around. Frankly this is the kind of work collectors covet and makers aspire to.

I will say though that the sheath, though very well executed, looks to me a few sizes too big for this knife. The blade seems more suited towards a more discrete form of carry, but hey that's just my opinion.

Speaking of opinions, I've enjoying reading this discussion here as well. I didn't notice any pissing match (did I miss something?), just a few passionate enthusiasts talking about knives. Last I checked, that's what we do here on bladeforums, no?
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No, we don't have discussions here anymore, it's mostly thread after thread of folks posting photos of their knives. Not that I don't like seeing beautiful knives But........ miss the
old days when we would have a few good discussion threads going on at any particular time.
 
betzner said:
The purpose of this thread is to show a nice knife.
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I think that this is reason enough for a thread.

Why do collector's new acquisitions need to be subject for discussion? Most threads like this aren't asking for feedback, they simply show objects we all enjoy looking at.
The collector's already decided they like the knife, what do they care if someone has an opinion about it? Then you get people arguing about other's stated opinions and then it's not about knives anymore, it's about opinions and egos.

Making this place uncomfortable for collector's to share their collections I don't think is a good thing. But that's just my opinion.

Makes more sense to me to center discussions around maker's posts of their own work.
 
Steven, your post had nothing to do with mine. All you did was post an opinion, like everyone else, and like I would do.
 
As I have previously stated I like the knife (a lot), however it's Ron's "Rendition" of a Loveless NYS (I assume) so I appreciate it for that.
To my eye it only remotely resembles the Loveless design NYS, so why do we have to compare it to such.
 
Wulf said:
Speaking of opinions, I've enjoying reading this discussion here as well. I didn't notice any pissing match (did I miss something?), just a few passionate enthusiasts talking about knives. Last I checked, that's what we do here on bladeforums, no?
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You are quite correct Derrick. As for the global proclamation that "we don't have discussions here any more" - that's up to each individual, not up to any one individual. The discussion has been about the knife, which is the subject of the thread. This is as it should be.

I agree with STeven that comparisons with the Loveless original are fair game for comment. I don't agree with the general proposition that for every Loveless-inspired piece, the extent to which it is different from the original, it is by definition worse. Of course, if it is the maker's intention to produce something as close as possible to the original Loveless design, then that should be the primary measure of the final rendering. But it should be apparrent to all that this knife was neither conceived nor rendered as a Loveless clone. I think it's bloody brilliant.

Roger
 
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