Rough rider stockman design flaw?

JohnDF said:
Otherwise... the only possibility left is that they don't know what they're doing. :D
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I don't think there's a design flaw in the Rough Rider Stockman knife so much as I think there's a design flaw in some of the users of the Rough Rider Stockman knife.

Many, many Rough Rider knives meet or exceed the fit and finish of Lambfoot knives coming out of Sheffield these days.
 
Modoc ED said:
I don't think there's a design flaw in the Rough Rider Stockman knife so much as I think there's a design flaw in some of the users of the Rough Rider Stockman knife.

Many, many Rough Rider knives meet or exceed the fit and finish of Lambfoot knives coming out of Sheffield these days.
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That response was uncalled for, while it probably doesn't break any forum rules, you should know that it is not appreciated.
 
JonMcD said:
Good thing we all have appropriately low expectations for this brand.
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Actually, I have rather high expectations of the brand.
I expect no blade wiggle/wobble.
I expect a pull in the vicinity of "5" on all the blades of any particular knife.
(with the exception of the spey/budding blade on the 3 7/8 "Stoneworx" mentioned above in post number two, I have yet to be disappointed concerning the pull, and it was easy and fast enough to fix on that Stoneworx.)
I expect the blades to be sharp put of the box, have even grinds, (which have generally been on average, a hair under 20° to no more than 25° inclusive) good "walk n' talk", and no to minimal blade rub.
I expect good fit and finish of the bolsters and covers.
I expect high value and a functional knife for my limited money. (being retired now, I'm not sure if "hard earned" immediately prior to "money" still applies.)
Out of between fifty to sixty Rough Rider/Rough Ryder knives I have the only one not to meet expectations out of the box was the Stoneworx, mentioned back in post number two of this thread. And, like I said, it was easy enough to fix in under 5 minutes. That knife is no longer a "disappointment". (besides, it gave me something to do that day.)

In short, I have the same expectations of Rough Rider (as well as Marbles and the BTI Schrade/Imperial/Old Timer) as I would for a Case, if I could afford to buy a Case. :)
 
Modoc ED said:
Lighten up. I was just kidding as to Rough Rider Stockman users.
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Yeah well, I am included in the that group. You can be positive or critical of the knife all you want. Start calling the user "flawed" and you have an issue.
 
afishhunter said:
Actually, I have rather high expectations of the brand.
I expect no blade wiggle/wobble.
I expect a pull in the vicinity of "5" on all the blades of any particular knife.
(with the exception of the spey/budding blade on the 3 7/8 "Stoneworx" mentioned above in post number two, I have yet to be disappointed concerning the pull, and it was easy and fast enough to fix on that Stoneworx.)
I expect the blades to be sharp put of the box, have even grinds, (which have generally been on average, a hair under 20° to no more than 25° inclusive) good "walk n' talk", and no to minimal blade rub.
I expect good fit and finish of the bolsters and covers.
I expect high value and a functional knife for my limited money. (being retired now, I'm not sure if "hard earned" immediately prior to "money" still applies.)
Out of between fifty to sixty Rough Rider/Rough Ryder knives I have the only one not to meet expectations out of the box was the Stoneworx, mentioned back in post number two of this thread. And, like I said, it was easy enough to fix in under 5 minutes. That knife is no longer a "disappointment". (besides, it gave me something to do that day.)

In short, I have the same expectations of Rough Rider (as well as Marbles and the BTI Schrade/Imperial/Old Timer) as I would for a Case, if I could afford to buy a Case. :)
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Well stated indeed. I have always thought that it was quite classy to under promise and over deliver. Rough Ryder in many ways exemplifies this. The green micarta sowbelly stockman is my only RR knife. It’s snappy, sharp as heck, substantial feeling in the hand, and aesthetically very pleasing to me. But from the moment I got it this past Christmas, I have wondered about the offset on the sheepsfoot.

I don’t know that I would buy another one, because my interests are in different knives, but you couldn’t pry this one out of my hand because it was a gift from my sister. I enjoy and retain the knives that I love and have meaning to me. So whether it has perfect engineering, or slightly baffling engineering, makes no difference when it’s connected to someone I love.

All the best afishhunter afishhunter ! Have a great weekend.
 
LastRodeo said:
Yeah well, I am included in the that group. You can be positive or critical of the knife all you want. Start calling the user "flawed" and you have an issue.
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I am a Rough Rider Stockman/Stockman Sowbelly user. I am flawed. Therefore, there is at least one Rough Rider user that is flawed.:):eek:

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I have lots of Rough Rider knives.

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For the most part they're great knives. It's my experience that the underlying complaint about Rough Rider knives is because of the country of orign not the knives themselves.

We ought to take this conversation to the "Rough Rider and Related Slipjoints" thread.

https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/rough-rider-related-slipjoints.582468/
 
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Modoc ED said:
I am a Rough Rider Stockman/Stockman Sowbelly user. I am flawed. Therefore, there is at least one Rough Rider user that is flawed.:):eek:

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I have lots of Rough Rider knives.

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For the most part they're great knives. It's my experience that the underlying complaint about Rough Rider knives is because of the country of orign not the knives themselves.

We ought to take this conversation to the "Rough Rider and Related Slipjoints" thread.

https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/rough-rider-related-slipjoints.582468/
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Nice collection of Rough Rider.
I must say: "Although I don't know you that well, I somehow doubt you are "flawed".

The OP originally started this conversation in the Rough Rider and Related thread, on page 249. I'm guessing he didn't like the answer he got there, or didn't get enough of a response, and brought it here.
I notice the OP has not been back since starting this thread. I'm suspecting Troll. I haven't checked his other posts to confirm his troll-ship yet.
 
JohnDF said:
With between 50 to 60 RR knives... I think you could afford a Case knife or two. :D


Believe me, ED Modoc ED Modoc ED is "flawed" :D
But that's why we love him... he fits in with the rest of us flawed individuals. ;)
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Those Rough Riders were purchased over years, starting in 2014 or so. Not in one fell swoop.
I have ... difficulty ... justifying spending $25 (including shipping) for a knife ... or muzzleloading accessory, bicycle accessory, archery equipment (sights, broadheads, a used release, a quiver, etc.), especially after I was forced to retire 3 years ago, and after I had a stroke a little over a year ago now.

Also, I am not "flawed". I am "defective". :)
 
afishhunter said:
Also, I am not "flawed". I am "defective". :)
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Hmmmm - I've noticed that before:eek: but didn't want to say anything to you about it:rolleyes: but now that you bring it up ..................................:) Hope your health is better and things are better for you.:thumbsup::)
 
I have the same sowbelly stockman in green micarta with the "well-kinked" sheepsfoot. Mine wouldn't close all the way, but I couldn't discover any rub on the blades. Weird. Then I looked in the blade well and found the problem:

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I know the photo is a little blurry, but you should see that small round protrusion in the red circle, just beyond the blue arrow. It is the pin that secures the scale to the liner, and though it isn't sticking out excessively, with as little room as there is in a three bladed knife like this one, it is rubbing against the tang when I close the knife, causing the blade not to close without pushing it down. I haven't tried filing insider the blade well, or thinning the side of the tang, but either of those seem like they would correct my problem.
 
LastRodeo said:
Yeah well, I am included in the that group. You can be positive or critical of the knife all you want. Start calling the user "flawed" and you have an issue.
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If I wasn't flawed, I wouldn't be human :)
 
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