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RTAK II User Opinions Wanted.

Discussion in 'Ontario Knife Company' started by bluemetalchurch, Jun 16, 2017.

  1. bluemetalchurch

    bluemetalchurch Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 4, 2014
    Never had a RTAK but I've owned an Junglas for a brief period. I liked it but always felt it needed a choil. The RTAK has that and 5160 steel which I like. What are your opinions of the knife? Is there anything you would recommend over it?

    Pics and experience are appreciated!
     
  2. Thomas Liszewski

    Thomas Liszewski

    5
    Jun 19, 2017
    I just ordered rat 7 and rtak 2 this am will arrive tomorrow. It's funny because I almost went with esee 6 and junglas I'm not educated with Ontario products I usually buy Becker series and buck knives. So I'm in same boat I just jumped right into water with these lol. I basically got into Ontario because of their awesome folders I bought rat 1 and 2 several months back and I basically think their best folders for money hands down, so I wanted to give Ontario some business
     
  3. GrReaper

    GrReaper

    487
    Sep 22, 2014
    RTAK 2 is a very tough chopper. Balance feels like a giant brick, so other than chopping wood, it's not much good for anything else. I use it to clean up nuisance trees and shrubs in my yard. The 5160 steel seems to lose its sharpness pretty quickly, but it's so tough, it never chips. Handle seems to feel best when wearing leather work gloves. The Kabar BK9 in 1095 steel is a better all round user knife, but it's not nearly as tough. I chipped the edge in several places on my BK9 when I accidentally hit a nail while breaking down some used lumber. I don't think that would've happened with my RTAK2, but of course can't say for sure since I haven't hit any nails with it yet. Bottom line, if you want a tough knife for heavy wood processing, RTAK2 is a very good choice.
     
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  4. Brad "the butcher"

    Brad "the butcher"

    Dec 15, 2008
    My only complaint with rtak 2 is the handle is way too thick and boxy without any hint of contoured ergos.

    The jungles is far superior in the fact that it is much more comfortable to hold

    Why the hell do you want a choil on a 10 in blade anyway, throw a cheap folder etc in the sheath pouch

    I stopped using the rtak and seriously considering having someone take a grinder to the handles similar to the junglass....

    My 2 cents.....it is a great bush basher, just not comfortable for long
     
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  5. alaska77

    alaska77

    2
    Dec 9, 2014
    I have a Rtak2 , bk9, esee6 and I really like the balance and feel of the Rtak2 and prefer it over the bk9 in ergonomics and handling ....I have over 5 years of hard use on my bk9 and it is one hell of a knife ..The saber grind kicks butt at batoning wood better then the flat grind of the rtak2 ...Kabar's 1095 cro van holds an edge as good as the esse 6 if not better in my opinion and the 9 came razor sharp out of box the same could not be said about the rtak2 ..I will be the first to admit that if I had not received the rtak2 as a Christmas present 2 years ago I probably never would have given it a chance.. The handle looks big and blocky and I have seen a few rtak2 in 1095 chip out online...The rtak2 I received is in 5160 and I had to reprofile the edge .. Ontario's 5160 will take an edge. I can shave hair with mine and as long as I strop it after each use. It stays sharp and 5160 seems less prone to rust ...The blade on the rtak2 seems to flex more then the bk9 and shock in the handle is definitely more noticeable when baton bigger pieces of wood...In the two years I have owned rtak2 I have really come to like how this knife handles for a big knife. It still feels fast in hand and more balanced then the bk9.I have medium to large size hands and was surprised how good the rtak2 handle feels in my hands especially after all the posts and reviews I've read online about this knife.I know how a knife feels in hand is really a personal preference but makes me wonder how many people write this knife off with out ever holding this knife in hand...If you can find a local knife shop that carry the rtak2 I really recommend checking it out...[​IMG]
     
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  6. Yonose

    Yonose

    Jul 10, 2017
    I own the rtak2 and the bk9, never tried the junglas tho. The rtak2 does have that thin tip, but 5160 is supposed to be the best all around chopper steel, but the edge holding of the bk9 is better hands down, not to mention the ergonomics and if you know where to look a decent leather sheath for it can be found for around $20. I love them both, and if I could I would take them both with me and carry lighter 3-5" blades to make up for the extra weight. I think the only other option would be a well Ht'd chopper in 12c27. The gold rush bowie by bear and son has never let me down, if you can get one that isn't ground too thin.
     
  7. Yonose

    Yonose

    Jul 10, 2017
    Also the sheath that come with the rtak2 fits my 12"tramontina machete like a glove, so pending $30 on a kydex sheath saved me $13 on a sheath for the machete
     
  8. Brad "the butcher"

    Brad "the butcher"

    Dec 15, 2008
    Good blade, chunky uncomfortable handle and useless choil for a big blade....poor balance due to brick handle as mentioned

    Used it a dozen times and sits collecting dust due to its glaring faults

    Only way to save it imop is take a grinder and shape the handle down significantly to junglass style handle

    It was a massive disappointment compared to my bk 9
     
  9. Yonose

    Yonose

    Jul 10, 2017
    I own several bk9’s, but micarta handles are a must—bringing the cheapest (Black Friday sale) price to $72.50+$40.69=$113.19. The rtak2 was about $65 on sale, kydex sheath on fleabay was $33, making total cost $99. Once you add an aftermarket sheath for the bk9, it’s at least $40 more than the rtak2(unless you get the economical but lower quality big brother sheath for $10-11.)

    I believe the knife designer said the choil was not meant to be a true finger choil but more of a sharpening choil—I could be mistaken.

    I am curious to try the junglas myself, mainly to find out if rowen’s heat treat makes their 1095 as flexible as Ontario’s 5160. No doubt it will hold an edge longer, and the high saber grind has my attention.(for strength and chopping ability). Plus it comes with a kydex sheath, making it cheaper or about the same price as the bk9 after the upgrades.

    I guess what I’m saying is that the rtak2 is a great value, especially if you’re happy with the edge retention. Sanding the micarta handles is easy enough, as long as there is enough material to work with. And of course wear proper mask and work in well ventilated area, if you decide it’s worth it since micarta dust is toxic(not as bad as g10 though.)
     
  10. Yonose

    Yonose

    Jul 10, 2017
    I don’t know if the OP made up his mind yet, (it has been awhile) but I’ll agree with GrReaper and alaska77 that the rtak2 is just the toughest thing in its class. I’ve come to appreciate its “indestructibility” over the edge retention of crovan. Still haven’t tried a junglas, but you can’t go wrong with the rtak2
     
  11. dingy

    dingy

    Feb 19, 2008
    i do not like the balance point of my rtak2 , and sold it.
     
  12. Roguer

    Roguer

    776
    Jan 5, 2015
    From only a sheer speculation a few things to note.

    The Esse has a nice high saber grind that is gooder for batoning and such and the steel has a good heat treat that makes the 1095 a great performer. According to the readings I read on it and U-Tubing tube stuff.

    The OKC is FFG but has a 5160 blade that is heat treated well and my experience with OKCs 5160 is unless its a fluke in the blade, it is very freaking tough and near indestructible.

    So it would be the personal preference I guess. Oh cost might be a factor, but I don't think either would disappoint. And Both have great warranties.

    Editcus: I'll be able to comment on the RTAKII once I get mine.
     
    Last edited: Jan 27, 2018
  13. taklamakan

    taklamakan Basic Member Basic Member

    167
    Nov 30, 2012
    Own and love both the RTAK II in 1095 and Junglas, but I like the boxy scales on the RTAK a little better than the rounded edges on the Junglas, they seem to fill the hand better, keep the knife from rotating, and help spread any shock from chopping. I'm also a fan of the RTAK's choil; seems ESEE kept the choil on the 6 but dispensed with it on the Junglas.
     
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  14. Yonose

    Yonose

    Jul 10, 2017
    It looks like I’m gonna have to do a lot of chopping this spring. Especially if the nor’easter coming thru tonight takes down more trees. Along with a chainsaw, I’ll bring my rtak2, my 18” tramontina, and one of my 13” busse bolos. I still don’t have an Ontario 18”machete, I’m not sure why though! For the $5 more it costs than the tramontina, it seems like it would stay sharp a lot longer. Of these, the one I’ll use the most will be the rtak2, unless reach is an issue.
     
  15. Roguer

    Roguer

    776
    Jan 5, 2015
    I'll just steal my brother's chainsaw, brush saw and use an axe, pickeroon, and the SP-53 for clearing. The RTAC II will be brought for the more new spring twiggy alder brush. For note I mostly got black spruce and alder brush and some poplar mostly.

    My dad wonders who keeps clearing the trails at his farm, guess my brother never told him I gave him one of my SP-53 as he uses that thing for every thing mostly. He says he likes the fast touch up that is all that's needed with it, guess that's the 5160. He found the RD Tanto I gave him is a great heavy middling sized swacker and hacker and dang hard use knife it is, I think its tougher than a Becker 2 due to no skelitalized handle the RD Tanto don't have. Still forgot to ask him what he uses the SP-10 for but he modded the sheath for a shoulder carry but I saw by the marks he uses it a lot as well.. The reason I gave him some of my "Reserve Stock Pile!" was because I knew he needed them more than I did and he finds more ways to use them.
     
  16. upnorth

    upnorth Gold Member Gold Member

    Nov 25, 2006
    Thanks for the pic alaska77. I wear an XL glove and for whatever reason I don't mind the scales on my ESEE 6. If I am fine with the squarish grip on the 6 is the RTAK2 similar enough to feel the same ?
     
  17. Beastchopper

    Beastchopper

    42
    Jun 23, 2018
    I've seen my junglas bend pretty good when batoning through some dry knotty wood. It was kind of surprising to see it take such a crooked angle, then snap right back to arrow straight. I did take a few chips on the junglas after chopping some very hard wood, but they were small enough to touch up with a stone. Also, I have maybe 4 XL hands, and the Junglas is very comfortable. I wouldn't mind checking out the rtak 2, but it's so similar to the junglas that i might rather get my hands on a condor parang or kukri or something a little different.
     
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  18. Roguer

    Roguer

    776
    Jan 5, 2015
    I was thinking a Junglasthingy, but having a few BK9s with micrata already for me would make it a bit redundant. The RTAKII I find is great for them green twiggy branches clearing out deer shooting lanes...er nature viewing lanes...and shooting...with um...a camera yeah that's it! But the RTAKII still can go through some of the heavier stuff when needed easily. I'd like to see a high saber grind on the RTAKII but the 5160 steel makes it pretty dang tough.
     
  19. alaska77

    alaska77

    2
    Dec 9, 2014
    Hello upnorth if your still interested in the rtak2 I would say that the rtak2 fits my hand a little better then the esee 6 .The esee feel slimmer in the hand in thickness and over all width .The rtak2 handle feels pretty good for a large knife doing large knife tasks
     
  20. razorburn

    razorburn Gold Member Gold Member

    Mar 26, 2007
    I picked up one of the 5160 RTAKII a while ago.Still haven't used mine since I purchased it because of the large block handles which are really not too ergonomic but I been thinking of getting some G10 one from TheKnifeConnection.I was just wondering if anyone has purchased these for their knife.They also have G10 handle sets for beckers,esse, and other Ontario.
     

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