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Recently I have been envolved in trades and had people make me offers on some of my knives only to reply and not get an awnser back,also, I have made offers and gotten no reply. This is happening very frequently latley. The least someone could do is say they have changed their mind or they are not interested but when a guy e-mails you and makes you an offer on something you have for trade then never replys after several attemps that is just rude!
 
This is an interesting development coming from you.

On the evening of 3/24 this year you e-mailed me saying that you would buy an LCC I was selling.

I replied.

Eight minutes into 3/25 you replied asking for my address as well as information on how to do Paypal so that you could send payment, you also asked if I had anything else for sale.

Eleven hours later, after I had turned away 2 other people, you e-mailed me and told me you found one you liked better and that you were going to go with it.

It took me another 3 days and a discount to sell the knife because the other parties had moved on.


Did you ever think the way you act may have something to do with the way people treat you?
 
I've also noticed this.

I made a forumite a trade offer on an item, and his reply was that he didn't want any safe queens. I then sent him another offer, to which he never even replied. The item he had for trade is still available. I gave up, as this guy is obviously not interested in a deal. I will also not ever deal with this individual again.

In my opinion, if someone makes you an offer, you should reply regardless. The same goes for the person making the offer. Communication is a two way street, and both parties need to make the effort, even if you don't strike a deal.

Use common courtesy, folks. It isn't brain surgery.
 
CPirtle, Is it not my right to change my mind? At the time $200 was a lot to invest in a knife to me and I really wanted the other model. As I recall I did at least thank you and told you I had changed my mind and after your very angry and belittling reply to me telling me not to ever e-mail you again you took away any chance I would have had to appologize as I dident want to anger you further.

For the record I am confident you will find that anybody that has traded with me has been nothing but happy with the experience.

Its sad to find out you are still holding this grudge against me and now if you may allow it I appologize for that incident.

Jon
 
Yes you are allowed to change your mind, BEFORE you said you'd take it.

:rolleyes:
 
I think it is also important to note that email is not always the most reliable form of communication.

I have sent emails to people they never received, and I have also sent emails that never arrived.

I'm working out a deal right now with a member whose email service was sending all my emails to his junk mail folder causing a lot of mis-comunication, who knows why?

-John
 
A couple weeks ago I had a knife up for trade or sell on a couple differant forums.I got 6 offers on it.I think I accepted 4 of them and never heard anything from them again.Finnally the last one worked.
People acting very strange lately.
 
I've noticed what appears to be a shift in attitude lately, placing more responsibility, for lack of a better term< on customers. I am guessing that retailers complain about customers, but to actually call a customer out for not making a purchase seems aa little strange. I know that this is a sideline for most, but having customers change their minds and back out of deals comes with the territory. Likewise, email enables a very quick response, but to assume that it will be quick is a little much.

This is just a generalized impression and may or may not apply to any given situation. If I am a seller I want to keeo customers happy. If I am a buyer I want to treat sellers with respect while covering my own interests.
 
Yes, but I think what we're really talking about here is:

-Seller listing item for sale or trade.

-'Buyer' saying, "I'll give you (x) amount of money or goods for your item."

-Seller saying, "OK, you've got a deal!"

-'Buyer' (now a mis-nomer) never being heard from again.


That is a problem, and it is certainly understandable that sellers get upset about that.

-John
 
blastjv,you got it right.Thats exactly what happened to me 3 times in a row.
 
The comments underscore the obvious - we are all guilty of occasional behavior that others may view negatively. None of us is immune. All we can do is our best to minimize those occurances.
 
Got nothing better to do so I'd like to make two points re: the direction this post is taking. Not directed at anyone in particular, by the way (he says defensively, expecting someone to take personal exception and fire back with both barrels). One, I remember quite a few comments some time back, basically, "deals not done til both sides are happy." Curious if happy is limited to, "I'm happy things are literally as described" or the more general, "I'm happy with the whole deal." Does happy include changing your mind after an "I'll take it," or once you commit are you in til the end? Always seem to be circumstances in folks' lives that can change a deal before it's done...health, job, birth/death...better deal. I understand the frustration of a lost deal and subsequent lost opportunities and it seems someone is always backing out for one reason or another...but, seems to be one of those things barterers and traders are going to have to live with/tolerate. That is unless someone establishes/enforces rules to the contrary. From what I can see, that ain't gonna happen (and rightly so) here at BF. My second point is the difference between 'must' and 'should'. I think most folks will agree the latter is relatively objective, given our culture, etc. A guy 'should' honor a deal when he says, "I'll take it." Reality is, unless it's a 'must,' some folks won't. What a guy should do ain't always what he's gonna do...I think we gotta accept some of that instead of continually flogging a dead wagon puller. Therefore, the only zero tolerance should be something having to do with a Busse. That said, I think it's fair to beat the hell out of the repeat offenders!
 
Haldir00,

I don't know what you thought people might take offense to, but your post seems to make perfect sense to me.

Just last week I had a guy offer to buy a knife I had listed. I agreed, we settled on a price, and method of payment. It was a Sunday and he said he'd mail a MO on Monday. On Monday he emailed me and said that his Mom's car had taken a crap and he really needed to help her out with repairs. What was I gonna' do? I said, "Hey, S**t happens, I hope things work out OK for you and your Mom." I suppose I could have said, "Hey, wait a minute, we had a DEAL!!!", but we're supposed to be a community here and have at least some consideration and compassion for each other. Of course, he might also have been full of it, but that's not for me to say. I was bummed to have lost the deal, but I've had so many more positive experiences through this and other forums that I really have no call to complain. In fact, maybe not hassling this guy and thereby helping him out just that little bit IS a positive experience.

-John
 
All I think anyone expects in these deals is that people apply the golden rule when getting into these transactions. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. As far as I am concerned if everyone treated others like they themselves would expect to be treated, we wouldn't have these problems. Unfortunately there are those that consider that only what concerns them is important.

Actually, I have no real problem with someone backing out of a deal, as long as they communicate that to me and don't just drop off the face of the earth. Sure it's a pain in the butt, but crap happens. Just let me know as soon as your mind is made up so that I can get back to selling/trading my knife to someone else. Have the guts to do that and I'll be fine with it.
 
Thats the only problem I have with it.Lack of comunication.As long as you know that they want to back out you can go ahead with other offers.
 
I can't argue with a lot of what has been said here.

I will add though that what everyone needs to keep in mind is that we are all dealing with each other in a mostly anonymous environment.

The only thing we have going for us here is our word.

I do not deal with people who go back on their word except in certain circumstances. If I can't trust someone to follow through on their commitments to me how can I trust them to send payment, a knife etc..?

Is it wrong to not reply to e-mails, yes but that is different than backing out of something you agreed to, there is no commitment from the recipient of an e-mail requiring them to reply. (Although it is in poor judgement)

Bottom line is, if I can't trust someone I don't deal with them. If they don't reply to my e-mails oh well - move on.

I am I perfect? No - but I know how I like to treat people and how I like to be treated.
 
Originally posted by cpirtle
The only thing we have going for us here is our word.
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That's right.
To those people who think changing their mind and backing out of a deal, while someone else's time and money is on the line, is ok--rest assured that every time I read where someone posts that opinion, I put them on ignore, and will never deal with them under any circumstances. Play games somewhere else, and with someone else's money.
If your word's no good. You're no good.
 
Originally posted by Haldir00
Does happy include changing your mind after an "I'll take it," or once you commit are you in til the end? Always seem to be circumstances in folks' lives that can change a deal before it's done...health, job, birth/death...better deal.
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IMHO, once someone commits they should follow through. Furthermore, I think the "better deal" excuse is completely unacceptable..people should do their homework BEFORE they agree to buy something, not after. If not, it leaves the door open for people to say "I'll take it" to tie up a knife (and seller) until they can shop around and in the event that they don't find it somewhere else...is that fair to the seller? Just as things can "come up" for the buyer, they can also "come up" for the seller...what if the seller lost their job and they need the money right away and lost a sale because some selfish tire-kicker held up their knife?

IMHO, if a buyer backs out and causes financial harm to the seller (e.g. they have to sell it at a discount), the buyer should cover the damage (e.g. pay the discounted portion) to make up for it..I wish that could be a policy here.

RL
 
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