Russians and the knife culture

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Anyone else noticing just how advanced Russians are with knives? I've been seeing a lot of things that are really pretty impressive, not just fit and finish type stuff, but true performance enhancing ideas and practices.
 
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Unfortunately not speaking nor reading the language will be a barrier, but thanks for sharing. Indeed seems to be very innovative!
 
Pretty interesting topic, I can't say I have noticed this. Interested to hear more, since I don't speak russian
 
Chris "Anagarika";15767971 said:
Unfortunately not speaking nor reading the language will be a barrier, but thanks for sharing. Indeed seems to be very innovative!
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I've been putting auto-translate through heavy use.
 
I'm unfamiliar with their advanced methodology and you edited your post so I don't know what specifically you're referring to.

I like learning new things so I am curious what these advancements/enhancements are.
 
Blues Bender said:
Examples...

We need some.
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Titanium alloy cladding on super high hardness tool steels, M390 damascus, the desire and abundance of high alloy steels like K390 and Vanadis 10, forging steels like 3V, people legitimately studying multi-cycle heat treatments with true cryo and putting them to use without needing specific heat treating companies to do it for them, etc. What is seen as advanced here in America is commonplace for them. That's all. Not saying it's not done here in America, just that what we see as the pinnacle of knife material processing and manufacturing is commonplace to them. The take it pretty seriously, not so much as a hobby. And the abundance of guys who take it very seriously vs people here in America that follow certain brands or whatever out of a desire to collect rather than use.

It's just interesting to me. These guys are pretty serious over there and bring a lot to the table that we rarely hear about on this side of the ocean.
 
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Your initial post was much better before you edited it. I read it on my lunch (night shift) and it was much more compelling before.

Anyway, if they're as bleeding-edge as you say, I'm looking forward to more and more Russian influence in the industry. Or maybe they're trying to answer questions that don't exist.

I have no idea. :)
 
bodog said:
Titanium alloy cladding on super high hardness tool steels, M390 damascus, the desire and abundance of high alloy steels like K390 and Vanadis 10, forging steels like 3V, people legitimately studying multi-cycle heat treatments with true cryo and putting them to use without needing specific heat treating companies to do it for them, etc. What is seen as advanced here in America is commonplace for them. That's all. Not saying it's not done here in America, just that what we see as the pinnacle of knife material processing and manufacturing is commonplace to them. The take it pretty seriously, not so much as a hobby. And the abundance of guys who take it very seriously vs people here in America that follow certain brands or whatever out of a desire to collect rather than use.

It's just interesting to me. These guys are pretty serious over there and bring a lot to the table that we rarely hear about on this side of the ocean.
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M390 Damascus? You must have read that wrong. Cheburkov offers either M390 or Damascus, not M390-Damascus. I know of the thread where you misread that, and their Damascus is obviously damasteel. Many makers are using "exotic" steels, so I don't see anything ground breaking there. 3V forging, big deal. Many master-smiths do multi cycle heat treatment and refine grain structure on steels like 52100, so nothing new there either.

Also, your statement I bolded is just a generalization and holds no weight. Plenty of us use our knives, and plenty of Russians are collectors...
 
Blues Bender said:
M390 Damascus? You must have read that wrong. Cheburkov offers either M390 or Damascus, not M390-Damascus. I know of the thread where you misread that, and their Damascus is obviously damasteel. Many makers are using "exotic" steels, so I don't see anything ground breaking there. 3V forging, big deal. Many master-smiths do multi cycle heat treatment and refine grain structure on steels like 52100, so nothing new there either.

Also, your statement I bolded is just a generalization and holds no weight. Plenty of us use our knives, and plenty of Russians are collectors...
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To be more specific I think it's actually m390 with damasteel cladding that these guys are using. Not even talking about cheburkov or whoever.

And like I said, it's not unheard of to be doing this stuff in the US. And I never said there aren't people in the US who take this stuff seriously. Please don't try to argue. That's why I parsed my initial post.

I just think what the Russians are doing is interesting. If you want to shoot down what I wrote, then ok, but I've said nothing untrue. Some people simply cannot stop arguing. How about you let an interesting thread develop?
 
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bodog said:
And the abundance of guys who take it very seriously vs people here in America that follow certain brands or whatever out of a desire to collect rather than use.
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Blues Bender nailed it. That's a bold claim...got anything to back it up?

And questioning claims isn't shooting things down. It is letting a thread develop.
 
marcinek said:
Blues Bender nailed it. That's a bold claim...got anything to back it up?

And questioning claims isn't shooting things down. It is letting a thread develop.
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When I say something is interesting I'm looking for others that have been watching the same stuff with interest. Jeez man, it's always the same crew. Way to go slick, you made a bunch of people hesitant to join the conversation. That's why I didn't respond to trevitrace earlier. I'm sure craytab is next.
 
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All I have noticed is some good youtube knife reviews by some Russians. That was cool
 
Call me crazy but I'm not one of those people who believe forging CPM steels is the best idea.

I also agree that you are short changing a lot of custom makers and master smiths in the USA who do all their own heat treatment with cycles and salt baths and cryo etc.

I doubt there are Russian companies doing that en masse, it's likely just a bunch of steel heads which we have plenty of here.

Lots of crazy San Mais, 6k, sm100, beta ti etc etc etc are all done here.
 
Scurvy092 said:
Call me crazy but I'm not one of those people who believe forging CPM steels is the best idea.

I also agree that you are short changing a lot of custom makers and master smiths in the USA who do all their own heat treatment with cycles and salt baths and cryo etc.

I doubt there are Russian companies doing that en masse, it's likely just a bunch of steel heads which we have plenty of here.

Lots of crazy San Mais, 6k, sm100, beta ti etc etc etc are all done here.
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Yeah I don't know if forging some of these steels is good or not but you don't hear about it that often. Guys who've tried it have reported that it's damned hard

As far as the heat treating, sure, you hear about good quality processes but you rarely hear about it being done to that degree by a lot of people with otherwise hard to process steels.

There are a ton of people with more experience than me but I'm pretty sure it's more demanding heat treating rex 121 than 1080 or 80crv2.
 
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bodog said:
When I say something is interesting I'm looking for others that have been watching the same stuff with interest. Jeez man, it's always the same crew. Way to go slick, you made a bunch of people hesitant to join the conversation. That's why I didn't respond to trevitrace earlier. I'm sure craytab is next.
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I am joining the conversation....by asking you to back up a claim you made.

So, any evidence to back up this claim of yours?
 
I think Russian companies and Russian knife consumers have an equal passion for all aspects of knives and knife culture as we in America.

Lately I've gotten in to checking out some of these. The language barrier is an obstacle for sure.

"The thread" mentioned above has been edited to include some new information that has come to light, dudes.

And a picture...because everyone likes pictures..

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This has the potential of being an interesting thread. Please keep posts courteous and civil so the conversation can continue. Attempts to derail or otherwise torpedo the thread will be handled.
 
I agree with Brian. I don't think there's anything going on in Russia (as far as knives go) that isn't happening in North America or Japan or China or wherever. I do see plenty of reviews on high end knives from Russians, but that's about it.
 
Kwon Kwang said:
I agree with Brian. I don't think there's anything going on in Russia (as far as knives go) that isn't happening in North America or Japan or China or wherever. I do see plenty of reviews on high end knives from Russians, but that's about it.
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As do I. While we have been seeing more knives from Russia of late around here it seems, I see no real evidence that they are are doing anything particularly revolutionary (see what I did there...I crack me up), and no evidence that what they do with their knives is any different from what Americans or anybody else in the world does.

I certainly could be convinced otherwise with some evidence.
 
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