Russians and the knife culture

Jopa said:
Sorry for my English
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Fine, but why would you register on BF with a name "Jopa" which is Russian equivalent of A**hole or a**?

As for the rest, there are good makers and not so good ones everywhere, dunno what's so special about Russia.
 
High ( 25 micron / 600 mesh / Red) on DMT --- good option
Finer ( 9 micron / 1200 mesh) from DMT --- so-so, but the thing is working in principle
Extra Extra High ( 3 micron / 8000 mesh) from DMT --- Epic Fail, complete razocharovnie spent wasted money and wasted time .
venёvskogo plant products can be interesting and useful
exactly as long as the diamond grain goes up to 50/40
venёvskie finer diamond stones --- again a complete disappointment .

"I took it to the Russian forum". People say they have poor quality. In Russia, a lot of things of poor quality:D
 
ebidis said:
Don't worry about it. The fact that you can write in more than one language is impressive to me, and your meaning comes across well enough that I understand what you are saying.

By the way, welcome to the forums.:thumbup:
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And hello to you . In general, I'm from Ukraine , Donetsk . At home I have a war , and I am now forced to live in Russia. Thanks for the compliment:). I speak three languages ​​.
 
Jopa said:
And hello to you . In general, I'm from Ukraine , Donetsk . At home I have a war , and I am now forced to live in Russia. Thanks for the compliment:). I speak three languages ​​.
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But apparently it was necessary to teach a very good:D

I hope you will understand my joke .
 
Jopa said:
And hello to you . In general, I'm from Ukraine , Donetsk . At home I have a war , and I am now forced to live in Russia. Thanks for the compliment:). I speak three languages ​​.
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Слава Україні!🇺🇦
 
Jopa said:
And hello to you . In general, I'm from Ukraine , Donetsk . At home I have a war , and I am now forced to live in Russia. Thanks for the compliment:). I speak three languages ​​.
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I am sorry to hear that you have been misplaced by a war. That is a very bad thing.:( I hope things will go well for you.
 
nozyk said:
Слава Україні!🇺🇦
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Героям Слава братан:)
 
I agree that there is some pretty cool stuff coming out of Russia. I have noticed that almost all the designs I like most are Russian, such as Dmitry Sinkevich and Shirogorov, and I like their style of long, slim knives that are built to cut.
One thing I love about their market is that they aren't afraid to use their knives. For example, Shirogorovs have great edge geometry and multi-row bearing systems because the Russians will use them to cut more than just mail and don't want bearing deformation if they get used hard. Just look on Youtube, all the videos where high end production knives are taken apart to show the internals or put through hard cutting tests are Russian. Honestly, I think the American market could learn a few things from them. First off, use your knives.
 
Gator97 said:
Fine, but why would you register on BF with a name "Jopa" which is Russian equivalent of A**hole or a**?

As for the rest, there are good makers and not so good ones everywhere, dunno what's so special about Russia.
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:D I was curious about the name too... Most of the Russian knives sold here in the States are manufactured with parts made in China. Few companies use Chinese manufacturers for complete products, i.e. Steel Will is a Russian Company that manufactures their knives in China and Italy ( by Viper if I remember correctly), most of the Kizliar's folders are made in China, most if not all of the CKF knives are also put together with parts manufactured in China and the blade steels are usually purchased from abroad.
IMO, they have very good designers and some outstanding models, but their manufacturing capabilities are limited. I also speak 3 languages, I read and understand perfectly Russian, their forums are very interesting, even little bit on the chauvinistic site... :D
 
POCEH KOCEB said:
:D I was curious about the name too... Most of the Russian knives sold here in the States are manufactured with parts made in China. Few companies use Chinese manufacturers for complete products, i.e. Steel Will is a Russian Company that manufactures their knives in China and Italy ( by Viper if I remember correctly), most of the Kizliar's folders are made in China, most if not all of the CKF knives are also put together with parts manufactured in China and the blade steels are usually purchased from abroad.
IMO, they have very good designers and some outstanding models, but their manufacturing capabilities are limited. I also speak 3 languages, I read and understand perfectly Russian, their forums are very interesting, even little bit on the chauvinistic site... :D
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At the expense of CKF you are wrong .
 
POCEH KOCEB said:
:D I was curious about the name too... Most of the Russian knives sold here in the States are manufactured with parts made in China. Few companies use Chinese manufacturers for complete products, i.e. Steel Will is a Russian Company that manufactures their knives in China and Italy ( by Viper if I remember correctly), most of the Kizliar's folders are made in China, most if not all of the CKF knives are also put together with parts manufactured in China and the blade steels are usually purchased from abroad.
IMO, they have very good designers and some outstanding models, but their manufacturing capabilities are limited. I also speak 3 languages, I read and understand perfectly Russian, their forums are very interesting, even little bit on the chauvinistic site... :D
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Yeah, I was never hugely impressed with the Russian knives I saw commonly being sold in the US so I've never really thought about it too much. It wasn't until I started going onto the Russian websites directly and looked at what's being sold and what's being talked about that I started to become interested. It's hard to get to them though.
 
Not surprised.
Our Russian brothers introduced the T-34. An outstanding tank.
rolf
 
Jopa said:
At the expense of CKF you are wrong .
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It's possible of course, nobody is right all the time... My research dates from the time they introduced the Decepticon, the info came from a russian lady who used to sell those.
She posted extensive review with pictures of it and mentioned that the parts for the particular knife and the other models they currently had, are made in China, the knives are put together in their "factory" in Russia.
If I dig around I'll find you the precise link to the russian post.
I'm curious, do you know which CKF models that are sold on the US market are completely built in Russia ?
 
POCEH KOCEB said:
It's possible of course, nobody is right all the time... My research dates from the time they introduced the Decepticon, the info came from a russian lady who used to sell those.
She posted extensive review with pictures of it and mentioned that the parts for the particular knife and the other models they currently had, are made in China, the knives are put together in their "factory" in Russia.
If I dig around I'll find you the precise link to the russian post.
I'm curious, do you know which CKF models that are sold on the US market are completely built in Russia ?
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pochta.ru russian post.

I saw a lot of Chinese fakes. In that use poor steel. In Shirogorov and CKF companies have their CNC equipment, I think it makes no sense to run through China.
 
POCEH KOCEB said:
It's possible of course, nobody is right all the time... My research dates from the time they introduced the Decepticon, the info came from a russian lady who used to sell those.
She posted extensive review with pictures of it and mentioned that the parts for the particular knife and the other models they currently had, are made in China, the knives are put together in their "factory" in Russia.
If I dig around I'll find you the precise link to the russian post.
I'm curious, do you know which CKF models that are sold on the US market are completely built in Russia ?
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But I can not say what is sold in the United States.
 
Jopa said:
pochta.ru russian post. I saw a lot of Chinese fakes. In that use poor steel. In Shirogorov and CKF companies have their CNC equipment, I think it makes no sense to run through China.
...But I can not say what is sold in the United States.
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I'm not talking about Chinese knock-offs, I was under impression that you are familliar in dept with the Russian companies.
In regard of CKF, I am correct and here is why: In October 2014, this link was leading to the Russian site From Russia with Knives ( http://fromrussiawithknives.com/daboia-knife-s35vn-ticf-bearings-tritium-inserts/ ) Link isn't working now, they took down the text.
So they were explaining details about the Daboia knife, made for or by, this never become very clear, CKF and they mentioned that their knives are manufactured in Russia with parts, mostly made in China.
This wasn't the only info on this subject but this link is the only one, I can find right now.
Of course this was almost two years ago and if they took it down, one would say that it never happened... :D But, if today you google the text " Где собирают Custom Knife Factory ножей ? ", meaning "Where they put together CNF's knives ?", second entry takes you to the blademan.ru, last updated this year, where this guy clearly repeats same info:
...Материалы и сталь для своей продукции компания заказывает в США, а производит продукцию на самых современных станках с ЧПУ в лучших мастерских Китая. Готовая продукция подвергается самому строгому контролю качества в Москве, категорически отсеивая ножи с малейшими недоработками...
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Which roughly translates to this:
...Materials and steel for its products, the company orders in the United States , and manufactures products on the most modern CNC machines in China's top studios . Finished products are subjected to strict quality control in Moscow categorically sifting knives with the slightest flaws ...
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Now, it don't really matter to me, I like some of the russian models, they are definetely made by very talented designers and fit and finish on most of them is impeccable. When you see a knife made by Shorgorovs or other leading Russian knifemakers, you can alwais recognize the speciffic lines and details they are using, I personally like when a knife maker have recognizable style, it means that this designer have unique stile that he can carry trough it's models, my question about which one of the new models are made with parts from China ( if they still are ) was not asked in order to devaluate those knives, it was dictated mostly from curiosity .
Yes, they might got their own CNC machines, but their russian site ( third entry from the same G-search ) does not give any information, just vague mentioning about creating projects that wasn't possible to do in Russia before.
I was only hoping you can shed some light on the subject, otherwise, I'm not interested in reading guesses...
...Мы претворяем в жизнь ранее невозможные к производству собственными силами в России проекты...
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I wonder if there was any metallurgy research that has diverged from the US methods. I was under the impression that during the cold war the Soviets were well ahead of the US when it came to titanium production and uses, simply through volume, they had enough to play with that they could try stuff. I know that all principals are eventually found, but might there still be secrets held?
 
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