rust on Blackjack II 1-7 blades

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Folks, I'm posting this in case any of you have some of the new Blackjack II 1-7 knives on your shelf. Be sure to check them for blade rust ASAP. I have 8 and 6 had to be buffed clean. I can't post pics, but can e-mail a few if any of you care to post them.

These Blackjack II knives were made by Mike Stewart and his bark river knife company. A cuctom maker looked at my rusty 1-7 knives this past week and commented that the acid likely was not fully cleaned off after the acid etch.

A buddy of mine is afraid to post pics on the "other" knife forum for concern that "unlimited moderator powers Mike" will ban him just for speaking up. :barf:

Please check your BJ II 1-7 for rust!

whitie
 
Sorry to ask so many questions, but as they said in the old commercial "inquiring minds want to know"... I'm sure people will be wondering these same things after they read your post.

I'm not familiar with the Blackjack II 1-7 knives, are they etched all over the blade or just a small logo area?

How long did you have them before you noticed the rust?

Is the rust all over the blade or just the etched area?

Are we talking about red rust or patina?

What kind of steel are the knives made of?

If carbon steel, did you apply any rust preventative such as tuff-cloth?
 
Have you determined for sure who made them?

Did you contact them and see if this would be covered under warranty before posting here?

How could a knife be acid etched at the factory, packaged, shipped, sold retail, brought home and stored away without ever having the blade wiped off and oiled?
 
whitie said:
Folks, I'm posting this in case any of you have some of the new Blackjack II 1-7 knives on your shelf. Be sure to check them for blade rust ASAP. I have 8 and 6 had to be buffed clean. I can't post pics, but can e-mail a few if any of you care to post them.

These Blackjack II knives were made by Mike Stewart and his bark river knife company. A cuctom maker looked at my rusty 1-7 knives this past week and commented that the acid likely was not fully cleaned off after the acid etch.

A buddy of mine is afraid to post pics on the "other" knife forum for concern that "unlimited moderator powers Mike" will ban him just for speaking up. :barf:

Please check your BJ II 1-7 for rust!

whitie
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Unless you post pics of said "rust" I am doubting your story or version thereof. Did you leave these knives stored in their sheaths? Did you find them that way when you opened the box immediately after you received them or after they were in storage for a spell? Who did you buy them from and did they inspect the knives prior to shipping? Did BRK&T actually make these knives? Who was the custom maker that inspected these knives? All of these questions need to be answered before we can make a snap judgement against someone.
 
Sheesh, Ken, I can't imagine why you don't want to make a snap judgement. After all, an unnamed custom knife maker told Whitie the acid might not have been all washed off. What more proof do you want? :confused:
 
I'd like to see pics of the rust, just because I've had good experience with Blackjack's 1095 vs. Rust.

I deliberately soaked an old Blackjack I had in a saltwater tank with several other blades for an amateur corrosion test.

After 3 days the Blackjack finally had rust, but it was very slight surface rust that would have easily cleaned up.

If you got rust that quickly, than in my inexpert opinion, something was done improperly.
 
I also can't help wondering why you bought these Mike Stewart/BRKT - built knives when you have made some very critical statements about the quality of his products. In fact, on 03/16/2006 you said:

whitie said:
Temper,

I've been down the same road and quickly dropped BRKT knives for the same reasons. Quality isn't a priority for Bark River and your reputation would get tarnished peddling their knives.

whitie
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and on 03/17/2006 you said:

whitie said:
Hey Tim, you take it personally that anyone dares to agree with the original post, which is that BRKT knife quality can tarnish a dealer's reputation. Tough. His comments about shoddy quality are spot on. I bought/sold over 100 BRKTs and will never buy another. I'll tell you what I resent.... manufacturer suck ups like you that try to spill blood whenever someone posts a negative experience. You are clearly one of Mike Stewart's henchmen and I'm sure he is proud of you.

whitie
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Maybe these are old stock knives that you haven't gotten rid of yet?

At any rate, it would be great to see pictures of the rust and you can be sure that there won't be any banning or coverups about it, just show the proof.
 
I'd still like to know who made them, that seems to be the first thing to establish before making public claims isn't it?

If these are "new Blackjack II 1-7" knives, did Mike Stewart actually make them?
 
TorzJohnson said:
Sorry to ask so many questions, but as they said in the old commercial "inquiring minds want to know"... I'm sure people will be wondering these same things after they read your post.

I'm not familiar with the Blackjack II 1-7 knives, are they etched all over the blade or just a small logo area?

How long did you have them before you noticed the rust?

Is the rust all over the blade or just the etched area?

Are we talking about red rust or patina?

What kind of steel are the knives made of?

If carbon steel, did you apply any rust preventative such as tuff-cloth?
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Guys,

The blade "rust" is light and fairly superficial. I was able to polish off most of it, but had to give my blades to a custom maker to clean them up to "mint" condition. The rust was pretty much anywhere on either side of the blade. Before I cleaned them up, a few of the rust spots could not be covered by a quarter.

I recently sold one to a fellow that was unopened since it left Blackjack. It was stored in my air conditioned home along with my other BJ II 1-7. The buyer contacted me immediately to tell me about the rust and I took it back of course. Then I contacted the other folks that have bought one of these from me to "spread the word".

The key is that we caught the rust in time before it did any permanent blade damage. If you have any BJ II 1-7, be sure to check your blades!

whitie
 
None of these BJ II 1-7 are shipped in their sheaths, and I leave them just the way they are shipped (white cardboard blade sleeve). The ones I opened showed no signs of rust at the time I bought them.

Others that bought these BJ II 1-7, especially those that left the knives in their original packing, are welcome to inspect their blades and comment.

whitie
 
I don't see what this agenda is? Is there not rust on the blades? Should you not check yours to see that there not in the same condition.
 
CDNWIDE said:
I don't see what this agenda is? Is there not rust on the blades? Should you not check yours to see that there not in the same condition.
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1. The original post states Mike Stewart made the blades, when he actually didn't.
2. This shows up on both forums the same day.
3. The person who started the thread over there is from "Ontario" and uses the I.D. "wideglide", and you, the only person to make sure we see it over here are from "Ontario" and use the I.D. "CDNWIDE". Are you the same person?
4. We have the mysterious "unkown expert" saying it was acid left from the etching, expecting us to believe that these knives all went from there to storage at a customers home without ever being wiped off?
5. No mention is made of attempting to contact the maker about warranty coverage, just right into a public forum to publish an attack on the wrong person.
6. No mention was made that these blades are 1095, if it rust, who's fault is that.....the person who made the blade months earlier, which in this case is not even the person being publically blamed, or the knife owner who didn't care for it properly?

This one smelled from the start.
 
whitie,

First and foremost you owe Mike Stewart a public apology. You have blamed him publicly for a problem with a knife he didn't even make.
 
it's 1095! at least from the pics. are these the first 1095 knives you ever had?
 
K.V. Collucci said:
Unless you post pics of said "rust" I am doubting your story or version thereof.
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This would prove nothing, you could easily induce rust on the blades obviously if you cared to do so.

whitie said:
A buddy of mine is afraid to post pics on the "other" knife forum for concern that "unlimited moderator powers Mike" will ban him just for speaking up.
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Why would you want to be active on a forum which supports such policies anyway. Being banning from a biased and censored discussion is hardly much of a threat.

CDNWIDE said:
I don't see what this agenda is?
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There is a *HUGE* and glaring double standard for public feedback. If the guy had exceptional results with his knives and posted them on multiple forums without contacting the manufacturer to make sure his results were representative would he be a troll? Of course not.

You can't make the same judgement in reverse unless you have a huge bias to support said manufacturer. Kel_aa has posted numerous complaints about Spyderco knives without checking for warrenty responce to resolve such issues. Was he called a troll by Glesser, was he attacked by Spyderco fans, was he accused of fabrication/lying. No, no and no.

-Cliff
 
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