rust on Blackjack II 1-7 blades

I saw the pictures on KF, and maybe a knifemaker can help me out. When you acid-etch a logo, do you put the acid all over the blade, being careful to put a lot of it on the clip/false edge portion of the blade? It would seem strange to me if that happens, but I don't really know.
 
The issue is that Mike Stewart was blamed publicly for something he had nothing to do with.You have to look far to find somebody as conscientious as Mr. Stewart.( no,I don't belong to the Bark river fan club.I don't know the man).What I have read in the Bark river forum is he ,like all good buisness men is anxious to take care of a problem before it gets this far ,if given a chance.
You,Mr Whitie have a agenda.
 
Yes, I know the poster on KF, and no we are not one in the same. I wish he would have stopped short of saying "rusty junk" because that is an overtatement. The blades can be cleaned up to look like new.

My interest in posting is that others with BJ II 1-7 knives inspect and protect them against rust. If that is an "agenda", then yes I am guilty as charged. I've had all sorts of carbon steel knives and nothing has shown rust to this extent. Somehow, the blades were exposted to something that brought this about.

whitie
 
whitie said:
Yes, I know the poster on KF, and no we are not one in the same. I wish he would have stopped short of saying "rusty junk" because that is an overtatement. The blades can be cleaned up to look like new.

My interest in posting is that others with BJ II 1-7 knives inspect and protect them against rust. If that is an "agenda", then yes I am guilty as charged. I've had all sorts of carbon steel knives and nothing has shown rust to this extent. Somehow, the blades were exposted to something that brought this about.

whitie
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Yet I still don't see a public apology to Mike Stewart for involving him in something he had no part of. That's the most sickening part about this whole mess. :barf: :grumpy: :thumbdn:
 
Cliff said:
Kel_aa has posted numerous complaints about Spyderco knives without checking for warrenty responce to resolve such issues. Was he called a troll by Glesser, was he attacked by Spyderco fans, was he accused of fabrication/lying. No, no and no.
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I made two or three such posts. The first one was directed at Mr Sal Glesser. I would have assumed he knows the behavior of his products and the policy of his company. Mr Glesser's response was not very substantial with respect to my concern. I wasn't trying to corner Mr Sal Glesser into a definitive statement, so I left it at that. I did start my own thread directed at the broader audience later, to which Mr Sal Glesser's contribution was more substantial.
 
whitie said:
Yes, I know the poster on KF, and no we are not one in the same.
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I didn't ask you if you were the same person, I asked "CNDWIDE" if they were the same person as "wideglide".
 
Indeed, wasn't trying to single you out, had just been thinking about your comments about the Military/AFCK recently and the effect of the curvature of the Sharpmaker rods so you were in mind. These types of critical posts are frequent :

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3852758

Note he doesn't ask in private to Spyderco but notes a problem in public on the forum, the forum is full of such posts as it should be otherwise the forum is nothing but a fluff promotional tool for manufacturers/makers. The opposite is even more common of course, blatent praise with no confirmation is obviously never opposed but is the same thing, unless you have a monetary interest in the matter obviously or are otherwise so biased.

The "junk" label is a little harsh, the problem is inconsequential to me, but aesthetics are critical to some and using a wax and having the knives rust underneath could obviously give someone concerns, especially if another maker indicated it was due to poor manufacturing processes.

-Cliff
 
Cliff Stamp said:
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Note he doesn't ask in private to Spyderco but notes a problem in public on the forum, the forum is full of such posts as it should be otherwise the forum is nothing but a fluff promotional tool for manufacturers/makers. The opposite is even more common of course, blatent praise with no confirmation is obviously never opposed but is the same thing, unless you have a monetary interest in the matter obviously or are otherwise so biased.
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-Cliff
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While I have observed that praise outweighs criticism, I think "never" is not accurate. Amongst others, there is this guy Stamp ................

And we still have a maker critcised for how he made a blade he apparently did not make.

Anyone wonder how Mr. Warner, the owner of Blackjack, feels about his product being called "junk." Should have used the stainless 1095, I guess.
 
Thomas Linton said:
Should have used the stainless 1095, I guess.
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That right there cuts down to the "nut" doesn't it.

Someone bought a blade CLEARLY marked "1095", a blade I assume wasn't rusted when they bought it, or why would they have bought it?

Then took it home and stored it for a time, then took it out and found it rusted.

How can that ever be anyones fault but the owners?
 
I thought something else was odd. "They" claimed to have treated the blades with Ren. Wax. before storing, no mention of that here.

A grown man should privaely present a problem to the maker or company and allow them proper time to respond and resolve the situation before posting teenage dribble like this for the world to see!

This is just he said , she said b.s. Man up pal, approach the person responsible and go through mature adult chanels before any negative posting. Hope ya learned something here.
 
That's what my pm from Mr Stewart said too.
I guess it was the word 'making' that threw me.

So instead of having a page or two of semantical discussion...
I'll try to figure out agreeing with cliff 2x in one year...and we're only halfway done.
(Just kiddin' cliff :D )
 
Ebbtide said:
That's what my pm from Mr Stewart said too.
I guess it was the word 'making' that threw me.
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It's like trying to keep track of "manufacturing" and "assembling", I get a chuckle sometimes at folks that tell me their PC was "made" in Mexico when it was actually just assembled there.

Ebbtide said:
I'll try to figure out agreeing with cliff 2x in one year...and we're only halfway done.
(Just kiddin' cliff :D )
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Uh...no comment. :D
 
The Last Confederate said:
Someone bought a blade CLEARLY marked "1095", a blade I assume wasn't rusted when they bought it, or why would they have bought it?

Then took it home and stored it for a time, then took it out and found it rusted.

How can that ever be anyones fault but the owners?
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The reason was already stated for this in the above, use of a protectant failed to be productive even though it worked on several other knives, so it is hardly logically to look simply at the owner. There have been cases reported on the forums where corrosion on a knife was due to manufacturing problems which lead the to corrosion resistance being far less than the ideal of the steel. In this case the idea was proposed/confirmed by a custom maker to be an etching issue.

Thomas Linton said:
And we still have a maker critcised for how he made a blade he apparently did not make.
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Indeed, they however like to take credit for this so should not complain when it turns on them. Check for the BRK&T axe which isn't made by them but surely is promoted that way on a regular basis. Anyone bother to ask why the guy had the impression Bark River made them, maybe the fault for the misinformation isn't theirs? Immediately calling the guy a troll for making a public statement about problems is obviously problematic as well. Should all praise be private as well or is it just for the problems?

Anyone wonder how Mr. Warner, the owner of Blackjack, feels about his product being called "junk." Should have used the stainless 1095, I guess.
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Or simply could have taken the time to clean the knives properly if the etching issue was the problem, note the other carbon and low alloy tools steels didn't rust. Was it a harsh critism, yes, however I have seen far worse from makers about users who didn't take proper care of their knives and they rusted. We are after all talking about a proposed manufacturing defect. If any of the rust had intersected with the edge it could readily have taken out mm sized holes which would have lead to significant metal loss, not to mention the long term effects if it wasn't prevented early.

-Cliff
 
Cliff Stamp said:
In this case the idea was proposed/confirmed by a custom maker to be an etching issue.-Cliff
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Actually, no it was not.

All we have is a claim of a mystery anonymous "knifemaker" supposedly making this statement.

No evidence was provided to substantiate it in even the slightest degree.
 
IMO this whole thread is nuts and the original poster is nuts.

1095 rusts very easily. I don't believe there's anyway to know why, when or how the rust formed. Or even who's fault it is, if there is any fault at all (which I doubt).

That's the price you pay for buying knives in 1095 THEY RUST !

Get over it! :rolleyes:
 
I think Dave has it pretty well summed up.

1095 can easily rust. (that is especially true in my local)

To store 1095, I would use "Rig".

A patina on high carbon blades can be very effective on preventing rust, for new high carbon kitchen knives or using knives cut up some acidic foods until you have a grey patina formed. Then with very little care the knife will stay rust free if you clean it after use and keep it dry between use.
 
DaveH said:
I don't believe there's anyway to know why, when or how the rust formed.
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While all knives rust it is no different than other properties like edge retention, durablity, etc. . All knives go blunt as well, but does this mean that you should excuse very low edge retention?

You buy a bunch of knives and coat them with wax alongside several other knives you want to keep as showpieces. You later find that one group of knives rusts under the protectant several months later even though steels of similar and/or inferior corrosion resistance do not. You discuss it with a maker who confirms it is a manufacturing defect. You return them and the vendor confirms it is a known problem and this isn't the first return for the same issues. First hand evidence of a problem and two experienced and independent confirmations, three if the posters of this thread and the other are unique.

DaveH here is a different senario. You buy a dozen liner locks of similar price range. You use them off and on over a few months. You notice that one group all from the same maker develop significant play, a known issue with locks which are heavily used of course but you used all knives equally and with care and out of the 12 you bought only the six from one maker had problems. You then ask a maker and he points out a manufacturing defect which can cause such problems. You then return them to the vendor and he notes that yes this is a common problem and they have seen multiple returns. You then get on line and note someone else is having the exact same problem.

How many reasonable people in that senario would not come to a very adverse opinion? I severely doubt in general the posters who complain and demand more from the original poster would hold themselves to similar standards if they had repeated problems with a type of tv, microwave, computer, watch, etc. from a specific company which develped problems where other brands did not.

-Cliff
 
This thread has gone on long enough without the apology that is owed to Mike Stewart. What's at stake here is a person's reputation. If whitie was any sort of decent human-being he would publicly apologize.
 
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