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Guys, I'm working a deal and the buyer wants to pay by bank wire. From reading posts here and other places it seems that a bank wire transfer is the best, most secure way to receive payment for an item.

From your experience is this truely the case? Can the transfer later be reversed after the item is sent? Can funds be falsified like a money order? Can the buyer disput the transfer later like a credit card or paypal?

Sorry to sound so paranoid but it's the highest dollar sell I've ever made over a forum before (over 4K) and I just want to make sure I've got all my bases covered. Thanks for your input.
 
Guys, I'm working a deal and the buyer wants to pay by bank wire. From reading posts here and other places it seems that a bank wire transfer is the best, most secure way to receive payment for an item.

Absolutley

Can the transfer later be reversed after the item is sent?

No, once your bank confirms they have the money in your account, you have it. Period.

Can funds be falsified like a money order?

Nope, same as above.

Can the buyer disput the transfer later like a credit card or paypal?
Nope, same as above.

You can double check this with your bank, but a bank transfer is rock solid.
 
Some stranger wants your bank account number and routing number? You do realize that -- in the wrong hands -- your account can be drained?

Wire transfers should only be done with someone you absolutely trust. Insist on a money order or cashier's cheque if a stranger cannot do PayPal.
 
Some stranger wants your bank account number and routing number? You do realize that -- in the wrong hands -- your account can be drained?
Unless you confirm the withdrawal noone can "drain" your account. BTW the account number and routing number is printed on all checks - do you give checks only to people you know?

Wire transfers should only be done with someone you absolutely trust. Insist on a money order or cashier's cheque if a stranger cannot do PayPal.

Even MO can be reversed. Wire transfer is the best and most secure way (unfortunately also quite expensive in US). Wire transfers here are very popular - transactions cost only about 20 cents.
 
Some stranger wants your bank account number and routing number? You do realize that -- in the wrong hands -- your account can be drained?

Wire transfers should only be done with someone you absolutely trust.

Caution is the order of the day, unfortunately, in handing your routing number and bank account number to a stranger.
Still, though, wire transfers are done all the time, every day, all over the globe.
It is a preferred method of funds transfer.

If you are justifiably concerned, you could contact your banker and ask if there is a "blind" method for
providing wire transfer info.

Or you can provide the wire transfer info to a third party who can be held accountable and easily located should an issue arise.
Often, this third party is an attorney.

There are other options as well, ask your attorney and/or your banker.
 
No one can "drain" your bank account just because they have you bank account number and the bank's routing number!!! That's total BS. Your bank account number is printed on every check you write and the routing number of the bank is given out freely by the bank.

Once money orders and cashier's checks have cleared your bank and the issuing bank, they cannot be "reversed." Some banks my credit your account the moment you deposit the check and if the check then bounces (or turns out to be stolen or forged) when sent to the issuing bank for payment, then your bank will debit your account for the funds... that's why it's important to hold the goods until the check or money order has cleared the ISSUING bank.

Give YOUR bank a call and let them explain it to you.

But don't worry about somebody "draining" you bank account instead of transfering money to you.
 
Once money orders and cashier's checks have cleared your bank and the issuing bank, they cannot be "reversed."

You would have to wait about two weeks for each transaction. You can get MO and make deposit (the money is added to your account) - send the goods - and then the MO can be reversed (cancelled by the sender). It happened to me twice. :mad:
 
No one can "drain" your bank account just because they have you bank account number and the bank's routing number!!! That's total BS. Your bank account number is printed on every check you write and the routing number of the bank is given out freely by the bank.

If someone has a personal cheque, they can use those numbers to set up auto-pay to a credit card (which is not in their name). Transaction will take a day or three to process, and may be repeated until you note the activity on your next statement. By then, the cards have been used to purchase goods or allow cash withdrawals. The Nigerians have done a number of scams similar to this, most famously the "Please allow me to deposit a huge amount of money in your account -- and I'll let you keep enough to buy a new car!"
 
You would have to wait about two weeks for each transaction. You can get MO and make deposit (the money is added to your account) - send the goods - and then the MO can be reversed (cancelled by the sender). It happened to me twice. :mad:

A Postal Money Order in USC cannot be reversed -- it is good as cash.
 
A Postal Money Order in USC cannot be reversed -- it is good as cash.

Not sure of the rules on Postal Money Orders; I'll take your word on this.

BUT, cash is cash. Only cash - the green ones with the presidents - is cash.
Every other form of "money" is something else.
Only cash is "currency".
 
If someone has a personal cheque, they can use those numbers to set up auto-pay to a credit card (which is not in their name). Transaction will take a day or three to process, and may be repeated until you note the activity on your next statement. By then, the cards have been used to purchase goods or allow cash withdrawals. The Nigerians have done a number of scams similar to this, most famously the "Please allow me to deposit a huge amount of money in your account -- and I'll let you keep enough to buy a new car!"

If that were the case, then how is that anyone uses personal checks? If having someone's account number alone allows you to "set up" auto payments and withdrawals from their account to some credit card? How do you set that up?

The US bank where I do business doesn't work like that. German banks don't work like that. You need a lot more than someone's account number to manipulate their funds. Banks have a certain liabilty to their customers.

The Nigerian con is totally different: it works on greed and ignorance. The pigeon gets a check for a lot of money with some wild excuse as to why the Nigerians need help in accessing their own funds. The pigeon gets offered a big cut to deposit the "check" in his account and then transfer a big chunk of the money on to the Nigerians... at another bank... thing is, the check is stolen/forged/bogus and as soon as the pigeon's bank presents that check to the issuing bank for payment, the check bounces, the funds are taken off the pigeon's account and he's out whatever he foolishly transfered to the Nigerians.

The key to any type of check/money order that is deposited into your account: there are two places the instrument must clear, 1. your bank, which happens when you hand it in for deposit. This is pretty much meaningless becasue your bank can't immedaitely verify the check! 2. The instrument must be paid by the issuing bank which happens when your bank actually collects the money for you. Once the funds have cleared the issung bank and are in your account, they are yours. Not before. But once the funds are there, it takes legal action to ever recover the money. There are no "I changed my minds"

This can take up to 6 weeks! So check with your bank. Never release goods until the payment has cleared the issuing bank!! But once a transfer is on your account and your bank confirms receipt of the funds, the sender cannot have his bank take it back. He can have his attorney sue you for it, but that takes time.

This is one reason the people who transfer money to the Nigerians can't just get their money back: the transfer has been paid, the money is gone.

I tell anyone wanting to use an international money order for pament that they'll have wait until their bank pays it and that may take a while, depending on the banks involved.

Best bet on any type of financial transaction where you are unsure: talk to your bank! And if necessary, get it in writing from them.
 
A Postal Money Order in USC cannot be reversed -- it is good as cash.


Sorry - it can. If you cash it without transferring the money into bank account - then you have cash in your hand and nothing will take it away from you. But with the MO depositing into account it is exactly like with bounced check (you have the mobey for a while - then you are out of it and even "bounced check" fee applies). BTW I have US bank account since 1992 and within this period it happened twice to me. It was also reason my bank does not accept foreign (even Canadian) MOs without further verification any more.

David
 
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From your experience is this truely the case? Can the transfer later be reversed after the item is sent? Can funds be falsified like a money order? Can the buyer disput the transfer later like a credit card or paypal?

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I actually had to get some money paid to me by (yes, I know) Nigerians for consulting work I had done. I was sufficiently paranoid that I set up a bank account with 5$ in int and had them wire it to there. When the money hit I transferred it directly to another account.

Domestic wires require "federal funds" and it should be unlikely that they could be cancelled like (for example) even a real cashier's check could be.


Just wait a couple days and then ship the knife after the wire if you are so concerned.
 
Sorry - it can. If you cash it without transferring the money into bank account - then you have cash in your hand and nothing will take it away from you. But with the MO depositing into account it is exactly like with bounced check (you have the mobey for a while - then you are out of it and even "bounced check" fee applies). BTW I have US bank account since 1992 and within this period it happened twice to me. It was also reason my bank does not accept foreign (even Canadian) MOs without further verification any more.

David

I can't believe any bank in the Czech Rep. would even CONSIDER giving you cash at the window for a US Money order! German banks laugh at such an idea. There are so many stolen, forged and bogus money orders in circulation.

The Money Order has to be deposited and then clear the the bank that issues it. If it bounces, that means the the money order was stolen, forged or bogus in the first place.

A US Postal Money order is like cash... IF the money order was genuine in the first place.
 
If that were the case, then how is that anyone uses personal checks? If having someone's account number alone allows you to "set up" auto payments and withdrawals from their account to some credit card? How do you set that up?

The most complicated part is actually getting a credit card that you can access the account information of via the internet -- most CC fraud simply involves hot numbers, but if you're doing a full identity theft you're free to set up the account yourself. Generally, a checking account is opened in the name of the ID theft victim, and CC is set up to recieve online payments from said account. Once account is nearly drained, and CC funds are low, criminal takes YOUR checking account & routing number and goes online to notify CC that his account information has changed. He then makes a series of online payments (limited to 1 every 24 hours) to "recharge" his fraudulently obtained CC -- then, after the funds transfer, he can get cash from an ATM or make purchases. He can then switch his account information again to recharge it some more, and get some more $ before tossing the useless HOT card away. In the meanwhile, he uses the original account (the one he went to the bank to open) to write bad cheques all over town, purchasing electronics, jewelry, and 20 yr old scotch.

This is felony bank fraud, and the folks who do it professionally work with over a dozen fake accounts at a time. They all get caught -- eventually -- but the risk is less than bank robbery, with about the same returns. It keeps them in flash, coke, and hookers for a coupla years before they go back to their second home (prison) for about 5 yrs.

Your FDIC insured bank will reimburse you for fraudulent withdrawals.
 
Gentlemen, thank you all for the input. I was able to go into a local branch today and speak to live person (rather than some phone rep who has no accountability). As per the Citibank Branch Manager, any funds transferred to you via bank wire are 100% secure.

Each transaction is given a Federal Funds Wire # via the institution sending the funds. The # is verified and funds checked by some Federal thing-a-ma-jig system and then deposited into your acct. The wire cannot be reversed for any reason, and as far as Citibank policy goes, no one can initiate any type of withdrawal with just your acct # and routing #, there are numerous safe guards in place to prevent this industry wide.

BTW trying to manipulate bank wire transactions in the US is a Federal Crime. The transactions are in fact federally regulated and are processed through federal channels, hence the federal funds wire # assigned to each transaction.
 
and as far as Citibank policy goes, no one can initiate any type of withdrawal with just your acct # and routing #, there are numerous safe guards in place to prevent this industry wide.

A friend of mine accidentally did this just last year. She accidentally transposed the digits on the account number and for 3 months straight the minimum payment on her CC was coming out of someone elses account. :eek:

Being an honest person, as soon as she realized this (the account holder as well as the bank were oblivious) she immediately corrected her bank account number at the CC site, then went down to the bank and deposited the funds into that individual's account with a deposit slip.
 
It's how I pay all my bills, and it's the most common method of payment over here.
How do you guys pay your bills?
 
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