S30V or 154CM for Custom Shoppe 110?

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OK, now that the Custom Shoppe situation has been resolved, I'm ready to buy another CS110. :D

But since BG-42 (my favorite) is no longer offered, I'm deciding between S30V and 154CM.


I really like both steels; wondering what you guys think.
 
I'll be going with the S30V because I think it's better known and somebody will be considering resale sooner or later.....(later, I hope).
 
:cool:...Jess I like 154CM but I like S30V a bit better. It seems to hold an edge a bit better and cuts like a beast when you use a slightly coarser stone for the final edge...I put S30V on the NS FG Ram's horn 110 that I ordered...:)
 
I like that NS FG Ram's Horn 110 with a S30V blade too... :thumbup: ... It looks really nice... :D ... That Damascus blade and the sambar stag is still way to high for me... :(:eek::(
 
But since BG-42 (my favorite) is no longer offered, I'm deciding between S30V and 154CM.

I'll pick the 154CM since the BG-42 ain't in the house any more :(. 154CM is the American version, and very similar to the Japanese ATS-34 in which both take an amazing high-polish finish. Wonderful corrosion resistence and the edge, to me, seems less prone to a chip, while not quite as aggressive in the cutting department, of S30V; arguably. I am not sure of this present day, but several one-man custom makers like 154CM when their, and only their, name is on it. 'Sez something to me......
'Sides, I have the Kalinga folder and like it very much! A nice example of 154CM is due here....or so I can rationalize :).

Dave
 
gd526 said:
But since BG-42 (my favorite) is no longer offered, I'm deciding between S30V and 154CM.

I'll pick the 154CM since the BG-42 ain't in the house any more :(. 154CM is the American version, and very similar to the Japanese ATS-34 in which both take an amazing high-polish finish. Wonderful corrosion resistence and the edge, to me, seems less prone to a chip, while not quite as aggressive in the cutting department, of S30V; arguably.

Dave
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I have heard & read time and again of S30V chipping, though many say it's a non-issue - and it's never happened with any of my own S30V knives.
And it does take an amazingly sharp edge.

But 154CM has proven itself through the years as a great, reliable blade steel.
 
:cool:...I will admit that had BG-42 been available, it would be on the frame I ordered...no doubt about it...It is, hands down, my favorite steel...:thumbup:
 
DarrylS said:
:cool:...I will admit that had BG-42 been available, it would be on the frame I ordered...no doubt about it...It is, hands down, my favorite steel...:thumbup:
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Roger that, Darryl. I have a few knives in S30V and have never had any edge problems at all. The CS110 I just ordered is S30V, but it could just as well have been 154CM, as I like them both. However, BG-42 just has that extra something that other steel doesn't.
 
DarrylS said:
I put S30V on the NS FG Ram's horn 110 that I ordered...:)[/COLOR]
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Hey man, enjoy your new knife!
Saw you posted in another thread that it's supposed to arrive yesterday, or something like that? :)


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Thanks for the input, everyone.

Think I'll do the S30V.
 
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I'm looking at the NS jigged buffalo with 154. So many knives with S30V I think I'll go for 154CM one more time.
I can't imagine a serious difference, especially with that great hollow grind slicing through anything it hits. :)

Am I going to break at the last moment and go with the ram's horn? :D

Can't make up my mind on the rivets! Are they a potential source of cracking?
They look good against the buffalo but they obviously aren't needed or they wouldn't be optional.

... help me ...
 
Esav, I'm having the same thoughts about the rivets!

I had a smooth buffalo horn without rivets and just really didn't care for the look.

So I was ready to go with a smooth buffalo horn with rivets and NS, and I started thinking, "Are the rivets a potential source of cracks?"

And now I read your post where you're asking the same question, lol

But I have several of the Camillus made Moore Maker slippies with buffalo horn and have never even seen a hint of a problem with cracking.

Think I'm gonna do the S30V, smooth buffalo horn, rivets and NS.
 
I have heard that the rivets do create a possible location for cracking; makes sense. Also it has been said here before that the handle material will break before the epoxy will give way. Rivets do give a knife a totally different look. But hey, whatever floats your boat. That is the beauty of the Custom Shop!
 
I don't see buffalo as brittle material. Should be fine!
But ... I changed my mind.

I've got too much black gear so I've been going for tan or khaki these past couple years. So I changed the buffalo to elk, which looks practically as good as the much more expensive sambar stag to me. Much brighter look against the nickel silver and I can go for the tan sheath, too.

So many choices. Who ever said freedom was easy !? :D
 
The original question in this thread is S30V or 154CM. What is the difference between 154CM and 154CPM (BP110)? I'm sure it has been asked before, but as a freeloader, I cannot search.
 
rifon2 said:
OK, now that the Custom Shoppe situation has been resolved, I'm ready to buy another CS110. :D

But since BG-42 (my favorite) is no longer offered, I'm deciding between S30V and 154CM.


I really like both steels; wondering what you guys think.
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I have never used BG 42, but I am having the same dillema between 154Cm and S30V... I have the handles and frame etc, but cant decide on the blade...
Time is running out... :D
 
2TONYB said:
The original question in this thread is S30V or 154CM. What is the difference between 154CM and 154CPM (BP110)? I'm sure it has been asked before, but as a freeloader, I cannot search.
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I believe the 154 CPM is a powdered metal technology such as the S30V. Chevrolet has been powdered metal tech for their connecting rods for several years so it is good stuff. I don't think the CM is such a technology but is a molten process just the same only made in a mold such as casting would be. Clear?

Dave:jerkit:
 
gd526 said:
I believe the 154 CPM is a powdered metal technology such as the S30V. Chevrolet has been powdered metal tech for their connecting rods for several years so it is good stuff. I don't think the CM is such a technology but is a molten process just the same only made in a mold such as casting would be. Clear?

Dave:jerkit:
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Thanks dave!
 
Esav Benyamin said:
I don't see buffalo as brittle material. Should be fine!
But ... I changed my mind.

I've got too much black gear so I've been going for tan or khaki these past couple years. So I changed the buffalo to elk, which looks practically as good as the much more expensive sambar stag to me. Much brighter look against the nickel silver and I can go for the tan sheath, too.

So many choices. Who ever said freedom was easy !? :D
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You will like the Elk, Esav, it looks even better in the final product. FWIW, I am a fanatic about rivets. Every Custom I have has rivets, because to me, rivets add an 'old world' touch that I like.

wh4f said:
I have never used BG 42, but I am having the same dillema between 154Cm and S30V... I have the handles and frame etc, but cant decide on the blade...
Time is running out...
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Good luck with that, Jim. I had a heck of a time trying to decide, as I like both steels equally well. I finally went with S30V, simply because...umm...er...well, just because.
 
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rifon2 said:
OK, now that the Custom Shoppe situation has been resolved, I'm ready to buy another CS110. :D

But since BG-42 (my favorite) is no longer offered, I'm deciding between S30V and 154CM.


I really like both steels; wondering what you guys think.
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Hi Rifon2...
I really like BG-42 as well. I miss it not being around for Buck. Read somewhere (can't recall where) that it was getting hard to obtain and pricey as demand for it in ball bearings was high. Don't know if it's true but ya know everything on the internet has to be true...right?

For me, 154CM or S30V is a toss up. But I will state that my Kalinga Pro fixed with S30V chipped slightly while cutting up some beef ribs on a plate...kind of surprising as I've had that happend before with other steels w/o problem...but it happened. My lesson was to be certain to use a cutting board instead of china. DOH!!!

http://www.zknives.com/knives/articles/knifesteelfaq.shtml

http://www.gunblast.com/Fryxell_KnifeSteels.htm

http://www.cutleryscience.com/reviews/blade_materials.html#stainless
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A.P.F. said:
Good luck with that, Jim. I had a heck of a time trying to decide, as I like both steels equally well. I finally went with S30V, simply because...umm...er...well, just because.
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Maybe just one of each is warranted? :D I am still undecided...

Although Goose your post does try to sway me a little, but I have never had an issue with my S30V knives. I dont do ribs though ;)
 
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