S30V or 154CM for Custom Shoppe 110?

But the knife-crazed masses seem to LOVE BG-42.

What's up with that?

The peoples' choice is my choice.

:D

Actually, I ordered one Damasque and one CM just 'cause I don't have any of either steel.

That's right......I'm knife poor.

I'm surprised you haven't sent me one out of pity.
 
my my, ...
lovely .... i mean my avater...
oh yes ...
i worked at a 'public walk up window' once
every time we put up a sign that we were out of XXXX
we had 5x the request for it!!! no kiding!
once on a bet i put the out of sign up with ZZZZZ
as we jest got it in and normlay we had it for ever...
yep you guessed it ...
they asked on it and i said well only have a very few left...
and SOLD OUT !
lesson i learned = the gen-a-real pub-lick is ...DUGH..:confused:
(here's yer sign!)
they always want what they think they cant have!
so why should any of us be any difftent...
so ya dont need to ask..
even i asked on if there was any MOP left
and NO there is not...:grumpy:
so
'cides got me my bg 42 already !!!:p
had to ' cause the Goose had one and i wanted in the
bg42 club so i could sings disco songs too!:D:cool:
i traded a damascus in stag for it..;)
 
I know what ya mean, Dave.

I DID want a Damasque and MOP......even when it was available.

Now that I can't get it ...... I regret even more that I was too cheap to order one.

And, I have a couple BGs already, so that's no big deal. Got some S30V, too......and no CM, so I ordered that......plus the Damasque and plain buff.

But I have noticed a lot of people here praising the greatness of BG-42, which is mainly why I'd like to hear a little more about it.
 
This may help, Roc. From Knife Steel FAQ -

"BG-42, S90V, and S30V constitute the next group. BG-42 has better wear resistance than all the previous steels except for S60V. It is tougher than ATS-34, and more stain resistant. It is wear resistant to the point where it can be difficult to sharpen. S90V represents the ultimate in wear resistance in the steels discussed so far. Also tougher than ATS-34, and more stain resistant. It can be very difficult to put an edge on. It is difficult enough to machine than it is used almost exclusively in custom knives, not production knives. In your buying decisions, you might want to take into account the difficulty of sharpening these steels. S30V backs off on the wear resistance of S90V, but is significantly tougher and easier to sharpen. It is more wear resistant than BG-42. The jury is still out, but it may end up this week's ultimate high-end all-around stainless steel, due to high performance coupled with easier machinability and sharpenability than the other steels in this class."

And

"Bob Loveless announced a while back that he's switching from ATS-34 to this steel. Keep an eye out for it, it's bound to catch on, although the higher cost, limited stock-size availability, and added difficulty of manufacturing are holding BG-42's popularity back. BG-42 is somewhat similar to ATS-34, with two major differences: It has twice as much manganese as ATS-34, and has 1.2% vanadium (ATS-34 has no vanadium), so look for significantly better edge-holding than ATS-34. The addition of vanadium and the clean manufacturing process (VIM/VAR) also gives BG-42 better toughness than ATS-34. Chris Reeve has switched from ATS-34 to BG-42 in his Sebenzas."
 
Thanks for the info......looks like there's a reason for all the enthusiasm for BG-42.
 
So far I have 110's with all the steel types with the exception of damascus and CPM 154. I've ordered the damascus and I'll probably pick up a token CPM 154 version in the near future (most likely from Bass Pro).
 
ok..sorry i had to jump in on this thread with a question:)......so out of 154cm and s30v..which one is tougher and more stain resistant?? i have a kalinga in s30v and 4 or 5 alphas in 154cm or ats34.....i have to admit i left my mini alpha(ats34) bloody and wet in my daypack for a year and it doesnt have a single rust spot. i also used the same mini to pop spotted gar in the head while bowfishin at night..to keep em from floppin...still no damage.

thanks guys
 
Don't get me wrong, bailebr3, because I like both steels. That said, S30V is both tougher and more stain resistant, based on my own observations and a number of articles. An example quoted suggests that S30V has A-2 class toughness, with almost S90V class wear resistance. In short, S30V is nice stuff and not difficult to sharpen.
 
no doubt that both are good steels....i just havent put any s30v through the roughness that i have the other steels....i'm still babying it:) well maybe not...im just not use to the thinner blade on the kalinga as compared to the beefy blade on the alphas.
 
CJ Buck said:
I love threads on steels...I have carried S30V since we started using it. With all the Vanadium it is able to hold an edge without needing to be as hard as the 154cm. That would make it less brittle then 154cm. The 154CPM (powdered version) I do not have much experience with yet.

With that said it should not chip. Goose that is the first I heard about chipping...I must have missed the thread where you posted that before.

As I said...because it does not have to be as hard (Paul puts S30V around 60.5 RC) and 154cm about a full point higher to get the "same" edge retention on the CATRA machine)

You might have gotten a blade that was over hardened a little. If you wanted to send that one into Joe we would send you another or just clean thatone up but I am interested in the Rockwell hardness of your knife. We would reimburse you for all shipping charges...
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CJ...
Thanks very much for the post reply about my 408 Kalinga Pro.

Originally posted the pics in a thread asking my peers here about the best way to sharpen/remedy. The chips are not that big.

I doubt I will send it in for a replacement or any work. If I do send it, it would be so that you can punch it for a Rockwell test. I'd be interested in that too.

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CJ, Thanks again for your comments.
All The Best... :)
Goose.
 
I have a whole mess of S30V knives and have only seen a small chip in one of them, on the factory edge. (Not a Buck)

The going theory is that in some cases, the factory grinding process differentially hardens the edge, making it more brittle. This theory seems to be supported by the observation that when the blade is subsequently hand sharpened, the chipping effect goes away and stays away.
 
A.P.F. said:
This may help, Roc. From Knife Steel FAQ -

"BG-42 has better wear resistance than all the previous steels except for S60V. S30V backs off on the wear resistance of S90V, but is significantly tougher and easier to sharpen. It is more wear resistant than BG-42.
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MMMMMM. I wonder if they meant to say that like this? DM
 
Buckaholic said:
CJ...
Thanks very much for the post reply about my 408 Kalinga Pro.
The chips are not that big....
I doubt I will send it in for a replacement or any work. !!!??
All The Best... :)
Goose.
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OMG goose that edge looks like a broken hack saw blade!!
how could you possabley stand it ?????
well good thing i am not so dayummm picky
send them to me and i will love 'em...
i loves all them lonley misfit bucks
in fact i runs a hospice for misstreated bucks ...
 
David Martin said:
MMMMMM. I wonder if they meant to say that like this? DM
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yowser dey did i belives...
all's dem fancy smachy steels is better then 440c in some ways
gets to were ya is debateing the sluttal diffreances between 10 hundrid thousand in stocks or 10 hundrid thousand in bonds...
i'll take either one for buck...
 
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