S35VN for the Sebenza?

Josh K said:
I wouldn't hold off, I'd stock up! :) Look at how rare the BG-42 blades are now.

Next we'll be talking about S30V when talking about ancient history. :D It's great that they continually and progressively refine as much as they can.
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Everyone raves about BG-42, what was the big deal? I All I know is I've never liked the low toughness of S30V and if a S35VN has any increase in toughness, that's good news for me since the Sebenza is only made with one alloy I'd rather have the tougher one.

From the charts I've seen the wear resistance will be pretty much the same.
 
MiG Angel said:
Everyone raves about BG-42, what was the big deal? I All I know is I've never liked the low toughness of S30V and if a S35VN has any increase in toughness, that's good news for me since the Sebenza is only made with one alloy I'd rather have the tougher one.

From the charts I've seen the wear resistance will be pretty much the same.
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S30V isn't low toughness, unless you're comparing it to carbon steels. S30V's toughness is on par with D2 and has better wear resistance. (http://www.dougritter.com/pop_up_cpms30v.htm)
 
According to sources who should know what they are talking about S35VN has superior toughness to S30V which should eliminate the chipping issues that some people have had with it.

Personally I have way too many knives in S30V already so I'm going to wait for the change over before buying my first Seb.... or Zaan.

MiG Angel said:
Everyone raves about BG-42, what was the big deal? I All I know is I've never liked the low toughness of S30V and if a S35VN has any increase in toughness, that's good news for me since the Sebenza is only made with one alloy I'd rather have the tougher one.

From the charts I've seen the wear resistance will be pretty much the same.
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of course they should switch the new steel is 5 better than s30v, and it has N! I'd pay an extra 200 to get all that
 
I am one of those guys that love BG-42. For me it is a great user steel, rust resistance, wear resistance, and ease of sharpening. I do have a couple of S30V sebs and they do fine, i just prefer BG-42, a user's opinion. I am excited about S35 though. I will hold out adding to the sebbie collection till the steel changes. I am a huge sebbie fan, but I will wait for the change.
 
I think S35VN is the best we could hope for.

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I never got a chance to try BG-42 so I was curious as to what the big fuss is. I know a lot of people liked it.
 
peppercorn said:
I talked to Chris about this very thing about a month ago. He said that all knives would eventually be made with the S35VN . . .
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I can confirm that. I spoke to Chris at the Plaza Cutlery Show on Sunday, October 3rd, and he told me the same thing. He also said that CRK will take a price increase after the 1st of the year. So if you've been sitting on the fence about purchasing a Sebbie or adding to your collection, you can decide to wait for the S35VNs to arrive if you want to. But you'll pay for it . . . literally! ;)

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I would have thought that the price would eventually get lower since the steel is easier to work with.
 
MiG Angel said:
I would have thought that the price would eventually get lower since the steel is easier to work with.
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Since it has better abrasion resistance, doesn't that mean it's harder to work with (harder on belts and such)?
 
ZippoThisKnifeThat said:
I wonder how much more money the Sebs will be? We talking a LOT of extra dough?
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Probably not, but when was the last price hike? Prices don't just stay stable. My guess is that the price of steel has gone up since the last purchase, as has the cost of living.
 
kreole said:
Since it has better abrasion resistance, doesn't that mean it's harder to work with (harder on belts and such)?
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Supposedly it polishes faster with less time and materials costs. So, you would actually expect either better finishes with ~ equivalent labor, or the same finish with less labor, and less cost for abrasives? Dunno.
 
That's funny with the economy, because most people I know have taken a huge pay cut a work, if they are still lucky enough to have a job, and have not received a raise in over 3 years. Recessions rock.. :mad:

Note: Nothing against the price hike, it just sucks in this economy because most people can't keep up with any kind of inflation..

Anyhow, back on topic, I will wait to get a Umnumzaan when the S35V comes out.. I have a large classic sebenza coming to me right now and I think that will hold me over.



Josh K said:
Probably not, but when was the last price hike? Prices don't just stay stable. My guess is that the price of steel has gone up since the last purchase, as has the cost of living.
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ZippoThisKnifeThat said:
I wonder how much more money the Sebs will be? We talking a LOT of extra dough?
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I spoke to an Authorized CRK Reseller. He said that price increases don't occur very often . . . about once every two to three years. When prices do increase, they go up between 10% and 20%. That would raise the list price of a standard large Sebbie 21 from $385 to between $425 and $460. Whether that constitutes a LOT of extra dough is for you to decide.
 
JNewell said:
Supposedly it polishes faster with less time and materials costs. So, you would actually expect either better finishes with ~ equivalent labor, or the same finish with less labor, and less cost for abrasives? Dunno.
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I've heard it's easier to grind and finish than CPM154, which is supposed to be a lot easierto grind and finish than S30V. Probably for CRK it won't mean better finishes, but less time on the grinder, and maybe the wheels will last longer between replacements. I can't imagine CRK could improve anyway :D
 
I think it would be a mistake for CRK to increase their prices by that much right now. I highly doubt the market is in the mood for a significant price increase. They should do everything they can to delay it by another year, even if it means maintaining the status quo and putting off the switchover to the new steel.

bld522 said:
I spoke to an Authorized CRK Reseller. He said that price increases don't occur very often . . . about once every two to three years. When prices do increase, they go up between 10% and 20%. That would raise the list price of a standard large Sebbie 21 from $385 to between $425 and $460. Whether that constitutes a LOT of extra dough is for you to decide.
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I've only met Chris once, but he strikes me as a no-nonsense kind of guy. He didn't say when he was going to make the switchover to S35VN, only that the switchover would be made. And he didn't specify when the price increase would occur, only that it would take place "after the first of the year". I didn't probe him beyond that.

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here's a little chart comparing S35VN to other steels:

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although in the end it'll depend on what the maker decides is a suitable application for the steel(heat treat), and realistically people will likely not notice any difference
 
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