Sa Pattadesa & other sardinian knives

Both are stunning knives to gaze upon! I love the subtle differences between the two handle shapes. Thank you or sharing these with us.
 
Âchillepattada;13035614 said:
Hello everybody and HAPPY NEW YEAR :-)

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Happy New Year to you also! Thanks for the beautiful pictures.
How are those knives traditionally carried, dropped free in a pocket, or is there a sheath involved. I ask because of the pointy barehead end of the handle. Seems it would not take long to put a hole in a pocket.
 
I enjoy this thread very much. While I don't have a lot to add, these knives zing my heart strings!
My family originates from Mediterranean areas, Calabria, and Sicilia, and even though I have only visited once, it felt like home!!!
 
Hi,
jon_slider said:
Happy New Year to you also! Thanks for the beautiful pictures.
How are those knives traditionally carried, dropped free in a pocket, or is there a sheath involved. I ask because of the pointy barehead end of the handle. Seems it would not take long to put a hole in a pocket.
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You have to keep in mind that this is a modern interpretation. it can explain some exagerated elements due to esthetic reasons :-/
But as far as i know thoses folders were carried in the pocket as in a bag, but I don't think that sheaths were used for folders.

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Ok n it's not a pattadesa but the story is nice.
I made an exchange with my friend Davide Steri: one trip in France against one knife.
He came and I brang him to see another friend knive-maker who is brilliant for all concerning the traditional japanese technic. His name is Bryan Raquin ( http://www.kiridashiandtools.com/ ).
During the day we spent at Bryan's a san-maï bar had been forged.
Davide took it back home.

The result :










It's a great everyday knife .

Âchille
 
jon_slider said:
Happy New Year to you also! Thanks for the beautiful pictures.
How are those knives traditionally carried, dropped free in a pocket, or is there a sheath involved. I ask because of the pointy barehead end of the handle. Seems it would not take long to put a hole in a pocket.
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This very knife you posted is way more pointy than the "standard" Logudorese (the other one posted by Achille is probably a better example of the handle shape).
As a general rule, though, Sardinian shepherds never used sheaths to carry their pocket knives :)
Beautiful knives to start the year with ;)

Fausto
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Thank you ahead of time for your response. Ciao, Jim (Carlo Martignetti)
 
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Hello every body ,

I have changed the title of this topic to be able to post pictures from other sorts of sardinian modern or traditional knives.

Here another creation from my great friend Gigi Sechi:


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Best all
Âchille
 
As I said more than once, it's nice to see Sardinian makers experiment and drift a bit from the traditional pattern (which remains my favourite for a number of reasons). This particular knife, though, looks very Spanish to me...a bit too much, for my taste.
Yet, the wooden handle looks awesome :)

Fausto
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quattromori said:
This particular knife, though, looks very Spanish to me...
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Di Gustibus non Disputandum.

Sardinia was part the Spanish Crown of Aragon. And Sardinian knives are based on very early versions of Spanish Navajas, before spring steel was developed in the 1700's.

jon_slider said:
good insight. You triggered a search for the location and chronology of these knives:

Spanish navaja originates around 1700. Early navajas had no back spring and no lock, similar to the Pattada and the Opinel.
A) Lier home of the Lierenaar, 1700's
B) Laguiole home of the Laguiole, 1829
C) Pattada home of the Pattadesa 1850's
D) Saint-Jean-de-Maurienne, home of the Opinel 1890
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At the time the Navaja came into existence, Spain was ruled by the Senior Hapsburg family and their territories included parts of Belgium, Sardinia, Corsica, Italy, Sicily, Montpelier and Provence in southern France.
Montpelier is on the way from Laguiole to Pattada, through the port of Marseilles.
Saint-Jean-de-Maurienne is reached from Corsica by going through Monaco, or from Pattada by going through Marseilles. I believe these were all Spanish territories at one time. See the following map, showing the Hapsburg territories in the year 1700

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here is a navaja with a pull ring to lift the external lock spring, before the pivoting lock release lever was developed, note also the leaf shaped blade
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pivot lever navaja, external lock spring.
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modern Spanish made navaja variant with slip joint back spring and no lock, Aitor Castor. Note leaf shaped blade, exposed pivot pin, and drop handle, as well as the back spring set between slab handles
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Belgian Lierenaar originates in Lier in the 1700's
note the drop in the handle, reminiscent of the navaja and pattadesa. Note also the surface mounted lock spring in following image, top, and the older variation, with the lock spring set between the scales.
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My home island and Spain share lots of things, including a certain knife pattern :-) that developed in different, yet similar ways in different areas of western Mediterranean sea. Taste is taste, and obviously my taste is highly biased, but as for the knife pictured above, three aspects catch my eye.
The handle shape looks very Sardinian to me, and I like it very much.
The blade shape has a curve often found on Sardinian arburesas, on Spanish navajas, and on other Italian regional patterns, such as the zuava and the senese. I like it, but I prefer the leaf shaped blade of resolzas.
The locking system is of pure Spanish race (I'm referring to "modern" navajas, not to the ancient pattern) and, honestly, I never really liked it (also, the ring is quite uncomfortable in use).
Sidenote: the shadow pattern, although quite uncommon here, looks great to me with that wood :-)

Fausto
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Keep them coming, Achille!! I may not be in love with the handle shape but I adore the knife and the craftsmanship. I get excited every time I see this thread pop up!

Great contribution, Jon!!!

Always a pleasure to garner you knowledge, Fausto!! I should have something for you soon, my friend.
 
Gevonovich said:
I get excited every time I see this thread pop up!
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Same here! My blood pressure rises just a little, whenever I see this thread's title in bold. ;)
That part of the world, and its melange of cultures intrigues and excites me. One day, I hope to visit... maybe even to relocate... but for now, this thread will sustain me! :)
 
Hi,
This system has been used for traditionnal knives in Sardegna . And sometimes in a more sofisticated way :
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