Sacrilege and Blasphemy - the Folding Utility Knife

Get a Sharpmaker and it won't be a mystery any more. Once you get the idea with the Sharpmaker, turn it over, lay the rods in the grooves, and practice using it as a benchstone, and when you've learned how to do that, you'll be able to sharpen anything anytime.

There's a lot of good experience on Bladeforums in sharpening. Here's some links to start your reading.

Convex Grind FAQ http://home.nycap.rr.com/sosak/convex.htm

EDC Knives Sharpening FAQ http://www.edcknives.com/pdf-files/Sharpen_v2.pdf

HandAmerican products http://www.handamerican.com/products.html

Knife Maintenance and Sharpening http://forums.egullet.com/index.php?showtopic=26036

Sharpening Made Easy http://users.ameritech.net/knives/knives1c.htm

Sharpening the Ontario - Jerry Hossum http://hossom.com/sharp/
 
db said:
what kind of animal that has attacked you several times,lives in your part of town with a shortage of jungle?

My wife and I have the odd habit of taking nightly walks around the suburbs. We also move all over the world, so your mental concept of a suburban street is not necessarily mine. During the last 20 years we have had several large (mastiff), savage (pit bull) dogs threaten us. Very frightening experiences, I can assure you. Yes, I DO carry a club (walking stick, an excellent and almost indestructible one by Cold Steel, see below), but I need a big folder if it lunges and gets a grip. My wife carries a DragonFly to assist me if I need it. I carry a Manix or a Gerber Applegate Covert.

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I would prefer a fixed blade to a folder for the scenario where a dog has a grip on you. It will be easier to deploy and use under stress. You should also carry a knife on the left and right sides, so you can access one even with an arm immobilized or disabled. Have you considered some kind of Mace?
If it was me, I would carry a gun. (not sure if that is an available option where you live)
 
Whats the point of having them if you are not going to use them? I would never use anything like the knife you have posted about 20 pictures of, no class baby, no class at all.
 
Rat Finkenstein said:
I would prefer a fixed blade to a folder for the scenario where a dog has a grip on you. It will be easier to deploy and use under stress.

Unfortunately we are soon moving to Australia, where the knife carry laws are draconian. My Manix is obtrusive enough!

You should also carry a knife on the left and right sides, so you can access one even with an arm immobilized or disabled.

I've considered that, but with the Manix weighing in at 174g, two would be enough to pull my pants down! Kidding, but they are a little heavy.

Have you considered some kind of Mace?
If it was me, I would carry a gun. (not sure if that is an available option where you live)

Again, we're talking Australia, where even my walking stick draws funny looks.
 
I'd like a folding utility knife, but frankly they look a little silly to me. If I'm doing any major cutting I like to use the full length of the blade, with my index finger close to the blade. The fact that the blade holder effectively creates a choil that's every bit as long as the blade itself disconcerts me a bit. I'd probably like them if there was some sort of ergonomic nicety involved on the blade holder, but until I can either implement that as part of the grip or have the whole razor blade exposed, I'd prefer to stick with retractable utility blades for the increased control and what are (IMO) improved ergonomics.

Frankly, the folding utility blades strike me as being more of a novelty item than anything else.
 
Asking knife nuts why they don't just use a six dollar box cutter is like asking wine snobs why they don't just drink malt liquor.

We use higher quality, prettier, more expensive, exotic, etc. folders for mundane tasks because we gain enjoyment from doing so. It's as simple as that.
 
There are times when utility knives are valuable. Certain jobs are HELL on blades and can destroy an edge to the point that you'd essentially need to reprofile in less time than it takes to do so, and some (like cutting something that's laying against concrete or tile - you don't always have the luxury of doing it "the right way") can destroy a blade, period. When you're looking at doing a job where efficiency requires that you show less respect for the blade or where the materials you're cutting are simply hell on the edge, utility blades start to make a lot of sense. Just change the blade every hour or so as needed and get twice as much done. Abuse the hell out of the thing and just shrug when it breaks.

I wouldn't EDC a utility knife, but they DEFINITELY have their place. Spend a day cutting through thick carpet and foam padding and you'll know exactly what I mean. I don't feel shy about putting my Sebenza, SAK, and Leatherman to work, and they have the scars to prove it, but sometimes a disposable is just the right tool for the job.
 
I have a Meyerco locking onehanded opener. It was cheap. And it just works. One interesting thing is that I found it wants non-standard sized blades. One of those things you never realize until you get it home and try it out. For utility sake, it's hard to beat.
 
kuro said:
Asking knife nuts why they don't just use a six dollar box cutter is like asking wine snobs why they don't just drink malt liquor.

I think that's one of the best posts I've seen in a while!
 
I think I am on track with everybody else in saying that a box cutter/utility knife does have a purpose. If there's a chance that my blade is going to get badly damaged, then I'll get a utility knife out of the work truck rather than use my pocketknife. If it's just a matter of not dulling a blade though, well sharpening a knife is a huge part of ownership and satisfaction in knife carrying. I'll not go out of the way to dull my knife, but I certaintly don't mind sitting on the sofa with my diamond stone and SAK or Leatherman or Spyderco, Buck, etc. The knives I own are made for carrying and cutting, not for sitting on a shelf the rest of their years.
 
If I am doing a job that requires me to constantly open boxes I will use a box cutter. it's the right tool for the job. If I am only going to open boxes occaissionaly, I use my EDC, which is a general purpose blade and also the right tool for the job. If my EDC gets dull, I have other knives I can use until I sharpen it. That's their job. If I am living in a place where I might be attacked by an animal, and occaisionally I do live in a place like that, I bring a walking stick and carry a fixed blade knife, although the knife is primarily used for prying up roots and collecting plants. Coyotes and ferel dogs occaisionally threaten people there.
 
How well is the heat treat on the Lenox ones? I use a real box cutter, not one of those folding things..(the irony is I can buy kitchen knives and folding knives no problem, but since I'm 17, they won't sell me xactos, etc)
 
...but isn't it just common sense?...
No, it is not just common sense, this world would be very boring and humanity would not have advanced much technologically if everybody was satisfied with the simplest least expensive thing that would do the job, even if it did the job just as well as something fancy and expensive.

So I will keep on using my regular EDC knives (simple SAKs and slipjoints really), and my expensive watches, pens, linen shirts and bone China coffee mugs, though I do own inexpensive box cutters, disposable pens, cotton T-shirts, cheap quartz watches and plastic cups.

Luis
 
Sorry I prefer real knife.
I use my Spider Jester for this task, it always in my keyring ready for use.
 
I"ve tried a couple of the folding utility knives and I'm not too high on them. I'd rather have a standard utility knife with a retractable blade when I'm working. It's easier to open and isn't as heavy in my pocket. Both of mine are Sheffields and you cannot open them with one hand and the blade lock lets go way too easy. :thumbdn:

Razz
 
mamba-man said:
I'm new here and maybe this has been discussed before, but I'm reading an amazing amount of posts in which guys talk about how they use their expensive knives for cutting packaging and other mundane tasks. :eek:

In my world, I find that carrying a folding utility knife (<$10) does all basic cutting chores for me and has cheap, replaceable blades too! These knives have become popular in the last few years.

I know this sounds like blasphemy in this forum, but isn't it just common sense?
I doubt anyone here would call it a sin. In fact, utility knives (including folding ones such as the "Super Knife") are popular here.

But most knife knuts do not want to use the minimum that will get the job done. Yes a Super Knife will cut a box, but so will my car key.

A Super Knife may do it better than a key, but I think a Sebenza will do it better than a Super Knife. The lock is certainly stronger and the edge sure lasts longer.

I see nothing wrong with using expensive knives. If anything, it is the cheaper knives that you should worry about using.

I understand worrying about scratching an expensive knife, or whatever, but when I pay a lot for a knife I do it because I expect (or know) the knife will perform well, be safe, last a long time, and be able to take what I can throw at it. If I pay a lot for a knife, I better get a lot of use out of it. To not use it is a waste. Why worry about scratching something that basically does not even exist (since you don't even make use of it)? Protecting a knife by not using it is like not having it at all- so what are you protecting? Of course, this goes for users. For art knives it is a different story since much of their appeal is looks. But the expensive knives I buy are users that happen to look good, IMO, and still look good when worn in (maybe even better!)

Not that a, for example, Native is going to fall apart on me, but I find more joy in using a Sebenza, and I do think titanium and precise tolerances will last longer than FRN, or titanium with less precise tolerances (talking about the lock and pivot here).

Super Knives are cheap and expendable and will do the job, but I just *want* (not need) something better. I can afford it, too, so I buy it. And then I buy more because I am sick.

Folding box cutters are a smart choice- even though you have to replace the blades and the knife itself doesn't last as long as a "real knife", it is still very frugal over a very long term. But being a knife knut is not an exercise in logic and using any old thing to flay a box open to minimize cost. It is a combination of seeing the need for a tool (logical), and then filling it will passion and desire (human).

A 1986 Civic will get you to work. Hell, all you really need are your legs! But who wouldn't rather drive an Aston? And really, an Aston is "better" (better performance, more reliable, more comfortable [though subjective]), so it isn't as if car cnuts prefer cars that are inferior (though sometimes that can be the case as many "fun" cars are not practical or reliable- but in those cases fun is the whole point).

To add to something said above:

kuro said:
Asking knife nuts why they don't just use a six dollar box cutter is like asking wine snobs why they don't just drink malt liquor.

We use higher quality, prettier, more expensive, exotic, etc. folders for mundane tasks because we gain enjoyment from doing so. It's as simple as that.

They aren't just "higher quality, prettier, more expensive, exotic, etc", but also perform better as cutting tools, even if the increase in performance is not proportional to the increase in price. So it isn't just a matter of fun, it is a matter of safer and better as well.

I have had to use box cutters at certain jobs that prohibit knives. Knife knutism and price aside, something like a Sebenza is a better, more reliable tool than any box cutter I have used (folding or not).
 
G'day,
There aren't any Australian knife laws--they vary from state to state--same as the US. Here in South Australia you can basically carry what you want if you have an acceptable reason. Cutting food works for most. Self-defense carry is not acceptable so I would NEVER carry for that reason.
Greg
 
Razzierb said:
I"ve tried a couple of the folding utility knives and I'm not too high on them. I'd rather have a standard utility knife with a retractable blade when I'm working. It's easier to open and isn't as heavy in my pocket. Both of mine are Sheffields and you cannot open them with one hand and the blade lock lets go way too easy. :thumbdn:

Razz

If you buy knives at any regulararity, and appriecate quality, if you just give a SK2 (Super knife) a chance, you would find this "folding utility knife" very useful and well designed.
 
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