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SACRILEGE!!! S30V on a carbide kitchen sharpener???
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I have a wicked scar on my thumb from trying to use a carbide pull-through sharpener on a machete.
Just adding to the reasons for avoidance.
May I know how?
Chris "Anagarika";12563313 said:
It was a hand-held sharpener and when the tip of the blade came free from the sharpener it landed on my thumb's knuckle. (Do thumbs have knuckles?)
I was also 9ish years old and I was home alone, so of course something like this would happen.
Don't worry about holding an unpopular opinion, just keep testing. My main beef with pull throughs is that they leave a scratch pattern parallel to the edge, essentially scoring it that way. From a mechanical perspective, that would seem (to me) to weaken the edge with regards to side loading.
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It's not an "unpopular opinion." It's a proven, tested fact. For example, that video by Travis, and the informed, experienced opinion of highly respected sharpeners, none of whom have had any success with carbide V sharpeners. If anyone here believes that carbide V sharpeners work, the burden of proof is on them. I'm waiting for the vids.
But I'm 100% confident that those vids will not be posted. They won't be posted because carbide V sharpeners don't work. Until proven, that is. So if anyone here believes that carbide V sharpeners work, the burden of proof is on them. I'm waiting for the vids. But I'm 100% confident that those vids will not be posted. They won't be posted because... etc.
But I'm 100% confident that those vids will not be posted. They won't be posted because carbide V sharpeners don't work. Until proven, that is. So if anyone here believes that carbide V sharpeners work, the burden of proof is on them. I'm waiting for the vids. But I'm 100% confident that those vids will not be posted. They won't be posted because... etc.
Well let's see. First of all lots of people are challenging him and jumping on him, so yes, it's unpopular. It's also the OP's opinion that pull through carbide sharpeners are working - an unpopular opinion. There you go.
Facts are provable. If it's a "proven, tested fact" (not sure what youare talking about), then show us the proof. Of what, I'm still not sure, but I'll look at it anyway.
There are lots of highly experienced and respected sharpeners on this forum, and I've run into more than a few of them, having been here a lot longer than you. So time to get down off your high horse and quite preaching to the choir. I have seen too many "facts" that everyone knows to be true debunked here to dismiss anything without a hearing. UDTjim (RIP buddy) loved the carbide sharpeners also. Even though I don't personally like them, I listened to him and asked him questions about the ones that he liked, and went out and tried them. They were fine for a quick edge in the field, but not my first choice.
The OP doesn't owe you or anyone else a video. He's simply bringing up a subject that he wants to discuss. Quit trying to shut him down.
Guys, really? We are all guys who like sharpening knives, who like talking about knives, who like using knives. Let's not get into a pissing match, and ready to fight, like somebody just called our sister a whore. Let's all just cool down a bit. After all, if I want to use a rat tail file, to make my knives SE, so be it, they're mine.
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Sodak, didn't mean to rankle. My apologies. Carbide V sharpeners just don't work. They deform and damage edges. They do not form an apex. In other words, they do not sharpen, at all.
Carbide sharpeners cannot remove metal in such a way that it apexes and deburrs an edge. I've used them myself and have sharpened a lot of knives where people destroyed their edges with one of those things. It is possible that OP doesn't know what sharpening actually is.
Carbide sharpeners cannot remove metal in such a way that it apexes and deburrs an edge. I've used them myself and have sharpened a lot of knives where people destroyed their edges with one of those things. It is possible that OP doesn't know what sharpening actually is.
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Ok, thanks. I apologize for getting hot under the collar myself.
Back to your point Mag. It's possible, but since the OP has been here a long time, I'd like to hear him out. Maybe he'll find this out, or maybe he'll find a new type of sharpener for the rest of us to try.
Example: Verhoeven, whom I have a great deal of respect for, published in his paper, that using plain leather does nothing to sharpen an edge. I believe him. I will freely admit he did a very good job of proving it pretty scientifically, I can't argue against that either. When I use my razor plain leather strop, I can get my knives much sharper than without, and it's really obvious. I believe that too. So who is right? Maybe both of us? Maybe my leather is different, or free hanging leather behaves differently than a leather wheel? I don't know. It works for me, and not for him.
If I was an outsider looking in, I would take Verhoeven's word over mine. Hands down. But I know what I'm seeing with my own knives as well. This one is still unresolved for me. So while I'm not a fan of carbide sharpeners, I listen, and maybe try some on a cheap knife. Maybe it's technique, maybe it's the sharpener, and maybe the OP needs to test more. I don't know. I would be interested in how long the carbide-sharpened edges last, and whether or not they start chipping after a few times. That would be my worry.
Back to your point Mag. It's possible, but since the OP has been here a long time, I'd like to hear him out. Maybe he'll find this out, or maybe he'll find a new type of sharpener for the rest of us to try.
Example: Verhoeven, whom I have a great deal of respect for, published in his paper, that using plain leather does nothing to sharpen an edge. I believe him. I will freely admit he did a very good job of proving it pretty scientifically, I can't argue against that either. When I use my razor plain leather strop, I can get my knives much sharper than without, and it's really obvious. I believe that too. So who is right? Maybe both of us? Maybe my leather is different, or free hanging leather behaves differently than a leather wheel? I don't know. It works for me, and not for him.
If I was an outsider looking in, I would take Verhoeven's word over mine. Hands down. But I know what I'm seeing with my own knives as well. This one is still unresolved for me. So while I'm not a fan of carbide sharpeners, I listen, and maybe try some on a cheap knife. Maybe it's technique, maybe it's the sharpener, and maybe the OP needs to test more. I don't know. I would be interested in how long the carbide-sharpened edges last, and whether or not they start chipping after a few times. That would be my worry.
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I'm in the same boat with the leather. In fact, I just finished up an O1 kitchen knife today with a 6k Arashiyama stone and a kangaroo leather strop. Definitely a noticeable improvement after the strop.
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I have had them work for me, I used to work in a plastic factory and I trimmed the excess off of parts as the machine spit them out of a hot injection molder. I have a little keychain one that I used for almost a year on a victorinox fillet knife that they give to us to use. My mom now has all three of mine and they work wonderfully for their intended purpose, who would have thought? It worked great for that because I didn't need a super edge just something that came something close to a point to cut through the hot half molten plastic. If I had time to use a stone I would have though, the work there was too fast paced, I'd stop once every couple hours and swipe on that thing a few times and I'd have a table full of parts to catch up on. Other than that I haven't had any luck with them. I did learn there though that if you take the edge of a fresh cardboard box and use it as a strop it works almost like a hone on that softer steel. I'd do that a bit too and it actually worked better than the pull through garbage. I'll give the one I had credit though, the bottle opener was really nice and it has a strap cutter that came in handy a few times actually.
I have had them work for me, I used to work in a plastic factory and I trimmed the excess off of parts as the machine spit them out of a hot injection molder. I have a little keychain one that I used for almost a year on a victorinox fillet knife that they give to us to use. My mom now has all three of mine and they work wonderfully for their intended purpose, who would have thought? It worked great for that because I didn't need a super edge just something that came something close to a point to cut through the hot half molten plastic. If I had time to use a stone I would have though, the work there was too fast paced, I'd stop once every couple hours and swipe on that thing a few times and I'd have a table full of parts to catch up on. Other than that I haven't had any luck with them. I did learn there though that if you take the edge of a fresh cardboard box and use it as a strop it works almost like a hone on that softer steel. I'd do that a bit too and it actually worked better than the pull through garbage. I'll give the one I had credit though, the bottle opener was really nice and it has a strap cutter that came in handy a few times actually.