SAK or Multi Tool?

I carry both when out and about in the woods. The SAK is much easier to handle for the small tasks that present themselves more frequently like cutting up an apple, etc. The multitool makes it's way out of the pouch sometimes, but not that much.

I wish there was a multi-tool like the leatherman juice with a toothpick, that would make me happy.
 
I like the multi tool for the pliers. My survival kit contains stainless steel wire. And the plies come in handy cutting it shaping it and things like that. I am a big fan of SAK's. The pliers just come in handy for me.
 
I too carry both a SAK Outrider and a Swiss Tool Spirit S when in the woods. The Spirit goes on my belt or in one of the pockets on my Maxpedition Thermite. The Outrider lives in my pack. It doesn't see much use unless I need the longer saw or the scissors.
 
The scissors are also important to me. I use them for cutting both sides of the quill when fletching arrows, trimming off loose strands of fibre when making cordage and a hundred and one other things. The scissors on Victorinox are first rate.

Doc
 
I know right now my leatherman blast takes care of things fine, though I would like to invest in a Vic tool.
 
Great collection (mister 111 mm)! I also carry both, MT and SAK.

I understand what you mean about Gerber, but why no SOG?
 
Actually, the best Wenger/Swiss scissors I ever had were on my old SwissCard. They are a little bigger and worked great. The newer card that I carry after destroying the previous piece of plastic junk doesn't have them.
Swisscards are great!
I've been carrying a Vic Swisscard in my wallet for two or three years now and its still in perfect condition.
however a buddy of mine had one and killed it in a month or so.
I carry one of those metal credit card sized sharpeners "back to back" to the Swiss card.
I think thats what has saved it, the sharpener takes any of the stress and keeps the Swisscard from flexing.
 
If you don't need overbuilt/beefy pliers a Vic Swisschamp is a good choice.

IMO the Swisschamp has the most utility per ounce.

Lately i usually carry the Swisschamp or Leatherman XE6 if i need a multi.
 
“I've often struggled with this, but I've come to the conclusion that mulit-tools are generally very good for urban carry and my SAK Outrider will join me on outdoors/rural adventures.”

Yup, me too.

I'm probably so out of touch with the current trend in multi-tools I'm not going to do them any justice: I've owned a couple of Leathermans and a Gerber and wasn't particularly impressed. In fact the last one was one of those little Leatherman Micros that I lost on a key ring. I was way more miffed at losing the keys than the Micro, although it was handy for cutting up herb.

Despite handling a few others since I've resolved myself to the fact that none of them are as comfortable to me as a small set of dedicated needle nose pliers. Also, if need be, I'd be far more inclined to belt the handle of a pair of pliers than a multi-tool, even if that meant they had to be binned afterwards. Pliers are dumb, simple, insulated, and grippy – ideal for when I'm cold, wet, and maybe having a sense of humour failure. Pliers hold with my left hand allowing me to introduce other tools with my right. An all in one multi-tool doesn't let me do that.

Something else I wonder on about the popularity of multi-tools is why are they popular with those that are often prejudiced against stainless knives. I would have thought the last stronghold of the carbon steel advocates is metal on metal tools; spanners, screwdrivers, hammers, pliers, tin snips .etc. Yet to my knowledge the best made multi-tool I have seen is one a guy tried to sell me in London – It was best because it had one of the blades in 154 CM. I know some of them have little add-on drivers and whatnot that are probably made of something more appropriate, but that isn't what the bulk of them is made from. Not like this is important to me. It's more of a musing over consistency when you see a carbon steel queen promoting them.

At this time, and still very much aware that I am ignorant to some of the latest ones, I have them pegged as a tool for casual use doing metal on metal stuff. They are the kind of thing I think are great for factory workers, or electricians and such to tote about for a quick tweak or bodge up. In the field, where metal on metal action isn't at the forefront, I get better results from an Outrider and proper pliers. And I often carry secateurs because they are so darn efficient.

The above may change. Not so long ago I stumbled across a multi-tool type thing at a garden center based around a pair of secateurs. They got my interest up. I cant recall what other doodads they had on them and the quality was all China and yuk, but the principle was sound. Not that I've given it a huge amount of thought, and engineering is beyond me, but I got as far as:

1] Two primary instruments – a] Secateurs, and b] Needle nose mole grips, something like a pointed Leatherman Crunch.

2] Saw blades – a] Something like a Silky, and b] a method of slotting in hacksaw blades.

3] a] Do the gear driven SOGs work well? - Let's have that feature. B] Do the SOG replaceable cutting jaw parts work well? - Let's have those.

4] Something like a strip of DMT stone.

5] Wharncliffe and serrated sheepsfoot.

6] Small prying tool.

7] Scissors

8] A gouge shaped chisel end.

9] An improved magnifying glass over that little cataract thing found on SAKs. And while we are at it, why don't we have the inside of the sliding cover of that as a mirror – just as good for signaling as picking twig from your eye.

10] Ramp up the pokey thing – awl, reamer, marlin spike.

Yeah, I'm sure I could list more but this is the basic idea. There's loads more SAK things that can be raped / used for inspiration, like tin openers and tweezers. Then wind in a few favourites, such as; I like big surgical needles, but upholstery needles have a useful cross section and the curvature makes it easier to mend some things.

Something like this would be far more useful to me than any of the multi-tools I've seen for woods use. 'Till then, the Outrider gets augmentation.

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Neat collection dude :-)
 
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Something else I wonder on about the popularity of multi-tools is why are they popular with those that are often prejudiced against stainless knives. I would have thought the last stronghold of the carbon steel advocates is metal on metal tools; spanners, screwdrivers, hammers, pliers, tin snips .etc. Yet to my knowledge the best made multi-tool I have seen is one a guy tried to sell me in London – It was best because it had one of the blades in 154 CM. I know some of them have little add-on drivers and whatnot that are probably made of something more appropriate, but that isn't what the bulk of them is made from. Not like this is important to me. It's more of a musing over consistency when you see a carbon steel queen promoting them.


I prefer tool steel but I would never buy a carbon steel multitool, too many moving parts and little nooks and crannies that hold water. Besides, I barely use the actual blade and it doesn't matter if the screwdrivers and bottle openers are stainless.:)
 
I'm with baldtaco-II. I used to have a leatherman wave and really liked it particularly on the boats. Then I lost it in the drink. I have a juice still, but most times I just carry a pair of pliars with me which is what I used my leatherman 99% of the time for. As for a blade - there is no way anyone can tell me that a multi-tool blade is comfy to use. SAK handles are much more comfy IMO. A nice little fixed blade is far better then the SAK. So most of my boat days now involve a fixed blade and pliars in the bag. A tool box with full set of screwdrivers is always on board.

On the occasion that I need a screw driver for a misc fix outside of the boat, my SAK usually does it for me. I suppose while camping, you can use the pliars for things like undoing knots and to remove pots. It is pretty easy to get around this with other materials though. I usually find that pliars on a camping trip are pretty rarely used when I bring them.
 
You have what I carry. Outrider and a crunch. And my edc fixed blade, of course.

But the crunch and outrider are pretty much permanently on me. The crunch is sometimes replaced by a pair of dedicated vise grips, though, since that's all I really use it for.
 
for a blade - there is no way anyone can tell me that a multi-tool blade is comfy to use.

Just as baldtaco-II said as well, I don't want my primary blade on a multitool. I was thinking of a sheepsfoot, but that fills the bill; maybe even just serrated.

Kershaw's multi-tool has a nice little hacksaw blade...but you need something that is easily replaceable.

ROCK6
 
The Gerber with the Rem-Grit replaceable blade isn't too bad. I saw these at Academy a while back...
 
I have to agree with the last couple of posts. I have a couple of multis (Charge TTi, Spirit, and Powerlock), and while they are great to have in a pinch, they really can't compete when I have access to a dedicated set of pliers. I've moved my Powerlock to my desk at work. I doubt it will ever get used here, but they're there if I need a pair of pliers. My Charge gets used a couple times a week (sometimes). It's going to go with me up to Gilroy, CA this weekend for the garlic festival, though it will likely stay in the car. My Spirit, well, I've had it a month and I haven't used it yet. I may sell it in the near future.

The most I ever need out of a knife is a knife...and I usually carry a SAK for a little extra functionality, though I would never rely on either it or a multi if I had other options.
 
Let me guess, you are either not married or have an unimpressed wife?

What a cool collection. I have bitterly regretted never getting a kershaw lock pliers, 'specialy when I needed something to grip and hold the end of my clutch cable.
 
Let me guess, you are either not married or have an unimpressed wife?

What a cool collection. I have bitterly regretted never getting a kershaw lock pliers, 'specialy when I needed something to grip and hold the end of my clutch cable.

:D:D:D Yeah, very happily married (11 years in August)...I don't know about "impressed", but she is quite impressive to me:D:thumbup:
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She just camp keep her hands of my tools....errr, knives:D

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The Kershaw really is a unique tool...I remember seeing an add where a guy was tying a fly with the knife stuck into a log and the pliers at the opposite end to work around.

ROCK6
 
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