Sale gone wrong

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Blues said:
I have been discussing this matter back channel with the OP and invited a couple of my colleagues to the discussion.

My thinking up to this point is that it is not the business of the buyer to adjust the price based upon the seller's having filed a claim with USPS. The buyer agreed to pay $200. If he is unwilling to pay the $200, he should send the knife back.

The USPS may or may not come back to the seller asking to be compensated / made whole, but in either case, that is not the business of the buyer, it is between the seller, his conscience and the USPS.

Although this matter will be discussed with my colleagues, my inclination is to give the buyer two options: Send the knife back or send $200 as initially agreed. Right now he has property he has not paid for. That is his only business and concern.

If he fails to do so, my inclination is to ban his account. That will be, as I said, discussed with a couple of my fellow staff members.
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My thoughts exactly
 
No mod has had any communications with me… only the OP. That hardly seems fair. In light of that, I’ll present my case and then answer to your question.

I paid $200 for this knife. Money was sent early September. No thievery happened.

Then, knife tracking via USPS never moved. Went on for like 3 weeks. Seller and I finally agreed he would refund $200. I felt bad for him. But luckily, he shipped USPS and ended up with a $110 refund.

Fast forward to 2 days ago… knife shows up. Where has it been? Who knows.

I message OP saying I’ll pay him the balance of the $200 that USPS didn’t pay (since he didn’t take out insurance). He says GREAT, send $100. I say Hold Up, they paid you $110? I’ll give you $90 so you have the full $200 from the original sale.

(Yes I’m offering to pay less, but I also waited 2 months. What does he care if he gets his $200? Apparently a lot).

OP gets insulted because I call him out on not being honest about what USPS paid him. Throws big fit. Asks for knife back (would he keep $ from his employer USPS? Who know who cares). Which brings me to my stance.

I’ll happily pay him $90 so he has full compensation for the knife $110 from USPS plus $90 from Burwabit. I’m not paying $200 and not sending it back.

If I’m banned, so be it. Injust in my opinion.
 
Burwabit said:
No mod has had any communications with me… only the OP. That hardly seems fair. In light of that, I’ll present my case and then answer to your question.

I paid $200 for this knife. Money was sent early September. No thievery happened.

Then, knife tracking via USPS never moved. Went on for like 3 weeks. Seller and I finally agreed he would refund $200. I felt bad for him. But luckily, he shipped USPS and ended up with a $110 refund.

Fast forward to 2 days ago… knife shows up. Where has it been? Who knows.

I message OP saying I’ll pay him the balance of the $200 that USPS didn’t pay (since he didn’t take out insurance). He says GREAT, send $100. I say Hold Up, they paid you $110? I’ll give you $90 so you have the full $200 from the original sale.

(Yes I’m offering to pay less, but I also waited 2 months. What does he care if he gets his $200? Apparently a lot).

OP gets insulted because I call him out on not being honest about what USPS paid him. Throws big fit. Asks for knife back (would he keep $ from his employer USPS? Who know who cares). Which brings me to my stance.

I’ll happily pay him $90 so he has full compensation for the knife $110 from USPS plus $90 from Burwabit. I’m not paying $200 and not sending it back.

If I’m banned, so be it. Injust in my opinion.
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All of that = you are a crook aka thief aka criminal aka POS.
 
There was no pain and suffering clause in the contract. You guys communicated, and you agreed, (apparently), to wait. When you no longer wanted to wait, he refunded your money. Now you don't want to pay the agreed upon amount for the knife so you have both the knife and the refunded $200.

You don't know that the USPS will not, at some point when their system catches up, come looking for their payment to be returned as the item has now been delivered.

That you are satisfied to have the seller's knife and his money reflects very poorly on your character. You are no longer welcome here.
 
Burwabit said:
No mod has had any communications with me… only the OP. That hardly seems fair. In light of that, I’ll present my case and then answer to your question.

I paid $200 for this knife. Money was sent early September. No thievery happened.

Then, knife tracking via USPS never moved. Went on for like 3 weeks. Seller and I finally agreed he would refund $200. I felt bad for him. But luckily, he shipped USPS and ended up with a $110 refund.

Fast forward to 2 days ago… knife shows up. Where has it been? Who knows.

I message OP saying I’ll pay him the balance of the $200 that USPS didn’t pay (since he didn’t take out insurance). He says GREAT, send $100. I say Hold Up, they paid you $110? I’ll give you $90 so you have the full $200 from the original sale.

(Yes I’m offering to pay less, but I also waited 2 months. What does he care if he gets his $200? Apparently a lot).

OP gets insulted because I call him out on not being honest about what USPS paid him. Throws big fit. Asks for knife back (would he keep $ from his employer USPS? Who know who cares). Which brings me to my stance.

I’ll happily pay him $90 so he has full compensation for the knife $110 from USPS plus $90 from Burwabit. I’m not paying $200 and not sending it back.

If I’m banned, so be it. Injust in my opinion.
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If he offered the knife to you for $100, you should have jumped at it. IMO your choices would be return the knife or return the money. You didn't want to share the loss,so you don't get to share any gain(if there is any).
Also IMO, I would get this settled and out of the thread before more damage is done.
 
This seems pretty straight forward. The buyer either needs to pay for the knife as agreed or return the full $200.00 dollars. I don't get where you Burwabit Burwabit that you should benefit from a mishap. Yes, the seller if honest should return the $110.00 he receieved through insurance but that has zero to do with the buyer.
 
Blues said:
There was no pain and suffering clause in the contract. You guys communicated, and you agreed, (apparently), to wait. When you no longer wanted to wait, he refunded your money. Now you don't want to pay the agreed upon amount for the knife so you have both the knife and the refunded $200.

You don't know that the USPS will not, at some point when their system catches up, come looking for their payment to be returned as the item has now been delivered.

That you are satisfied to have the seller's knife and his money reflects very poorly on your character. You are no longer welcome here.
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Pretty much spot on.
But I doubt USPS will come back ,they seem to be very busy
 
If the knife hadn't shown up who.would have been out the funds?

If I'm reading this correctly the buyer got a full refund in the first place? So the seller was out 2 bills?

Seller was on the hook the whole time.

Lame.
 
Overall I agree with the mods ruling.

That the buyer had the chance to settle at $100, but then got chincy over $10- woof. That was the clincher.
 
Monofletch said:
I understand the knife was lost, but I refunded funds as soon as he asked.
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Integrity = doing the right thing even when no-one is looking.

A bit reminiscent of the time you purchased scales from me - they didn't arrive in 2 weeks, I refunded your money. A couple days after I refunded the money the scales finally arrived to you. The big difference is that you immediately repaid me full asking price.

Pretty shitty of this buyer to think he makes the rules. Thanks for posting Monofletch Monofletch - this member will be ignored in the event he isn't banned.
 
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tinfoil hat timmy said:
If the knife hadn't shown up who.would have been out the funds?

If I'm reading this correctly the buyer got a full refund in the first place? So the seller was out 2 bills?

Seller was on the hook the whole time.

Lame.
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It was the seller's choice not to get the full amount of insurance and be "on the hook" for the rest.

(No offense Monofletch, and I'm sure you knew that.)
 
The buyer received a full refund immediately when requested. This means he should send the knife back to seller or send him the agreed amount of $200. If he does not, he’s stealing a knife because he was fully refunded and paid $0. This is a straight forward, zero gray area situation.

It does NOT matter what the seller did with insurance. The deal was made between the buyer and the seller. The buyer has the knife and paid $0. Buyer needs to send the knife back or send $200 to seller or he is literally stealing. It’s that simple.
 
The matter has been dealt with. The buyer is no longer a member here, as his account has been banned. He chose his hill to die on.
 
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