Salsa returns: Act II - Canada

Hey Bobby...since I can't be there to do this myself, please try the following...

hold the knife upside down (tip up) with the back of the blade toward you...now pinch the Spyderhole with your thumb and forefinger and snap your wrist forward...the handle should swing down into the palm of your hand...no?

RL

PS You know if I got my hands on it, I'd be flicking it like there's no tomorrow :)
 
hold the knife upside down (tip up) with the back of the blade toward you...now pinch the Spyderhole with your thumb and forefinger and snap your wrist forward...the handle should swing down into the palm of your hand...no?

...well... yes, but... It takes a hell of a wrist snap to do it, usually more than 1. This is because it has a detente ball holding the blade in. You can really feel the blade "lock" into the handle when it closes.:cool:
 
Bobby B passed it off to me yesterday afternoon. I'll post my thoughts after a bit.

Later,
Dale.
 
Okay, I sent the Salsa off to 4ster today. When he gets it he should probably sharpen it, sharp as a rock now.

I couldn't carry it in my pocket, it is just too wide. Plus it rides higher than I am used to. So I carried it IWB, forgot it was there most of the time. It's very light.

Really liked the detent on this one, it's not going to open accidently. It feels good in the hand, but I was a bit concerned about really attacking any test material since my fingers were close to the blade with no real guard.

Also really liked the compression lock. You soon learn where not to put your fingers. Closes faster than any liner lock I have, opens about the same.

I think it's a good performer if you like the style. Overall I liked the workmanship and function, but won't be in a rush to buy one. If you jog or workout it would be good to put in your shorts or gym bag.

Dale.
 
Just received the Salsa about an hour ago and yes, it does need sharpening! I'll sharpen it up and post my review in a few days.
 
Here's my review of the Salsa pass-around. It will be headed out to calyth tomorrow.

When the Salso arrived it was just as wyrm promised - dull as a stone! The AUS-8 blade was easy to bring back to hair-popping sharpness using the Sharpmaker (although I did finish off with a translucent Arkansas stone and a leather strop with blade honing compound).

My first impression was the width of the closed knife. The impression of with seems to be emphasized because of the relative shortness of the handle. In comparing it to other Spydercos, open and closed, the blade is just slightly wider than the Military or Lum Chinese, the handle is the same width as the Military or Native, and closed it is slightly narrower than the Matriarch. I have seen a comment by Carlos on the Spyderco Forum that it seems as if "it had been a longer knife stretched in one direction while being compressed in another"

The wide leaf blade has a big "belly" which should be good for some types of cutting, but this results in a point that is higher than I would have preferred. Speaking of cutting, other than paper and some carcboard I also cut a few plastic wire ties. Even after this the blade was still shaving sharp.

I liked the Cobra Hood and the large opening hole. Although not as smooth to open as my Lum chinese (few are) it was easy to open. One very noticable feature on opening is the (I think) ball bearing detante. This is a significant enhancement and something I can really appreciate since I have one of the Natives which has a very weak detante.

The finger grooves and integrated choil on the blade allow for a firm grip, although I think that a person with large hands might find it a bit small. The choil is not as deep as the similar feature on the Native and I didn't feel quite the same confidence in my grip on the Salsa as I do with the Native.

The nested compression lock gave a very solid lockup - only a mm or less of horizontal and vertical play - just enough to feel but hard to see. I'm not impressed with how the compression lock is to unlock however. I first noticed it on the Vesuvius and now also on the Salsa - a bit of pocket lint behind the lock and unlocking becomes a two-handed job. I guess if I had to make a choice, a strong lockup is more of a concern than ease of unlocking - but most Spydercos have both.

I didn't see any problems with the wire clip and this was the first Spyderco I have handled with such a clip. The only thing to comment on was that the Almite coating is already wearing away under the clip where some people have set it up for left hand carry.

The fit of all parts seemed very good. I certainly wouldn't be worried about other Spyderco models being manyfactured in Taiwan. As an aside, I also own a few CRKT knives manufactured in Taiwan and, although you might wish for a better steel, I have seen any fit problems in those knive either. The tolerances seemed very tight and I didn't notice, as some have mentioned with other Salsas, the blade edge touching the lanyard/clip bolt.

In conclusion, when I first opened the package, my first impression wasn't great, However, during the time I've been carrying it, the Salsa has been growing on me. But, some Spydies have just grabbed me immediately, such as the Delica, Native, Jess Horn and Military. The Salsa doesn't seem to have the same personal appeal. I think for many, it would be a very good EDC. But it isn't going to displace some of the Spydies I currently have on order - like the Lil' Temperance and CF Police. And now with a CF Delica on the horizon I don't think I'll be purchasing a Salsa anytime soon.

Finally, many thanks to DaveH for setting up this pass-around!!!!!
 
4ster: Glad to hear that the Salsa is coming my way.
BTW You mention that your Native have bad blade retention, and I've sent mine in with a smiliar problem, nad they stated that it was a bad lock, and they will replace it.
 
Salsa received. The blade sharpness isn't as sharp as other spydercos, but I suspect someone alrready put it through hell ;)
More comments later.
 
The Salsa seems to have a slightly rounded tip, likely from the use of the 204, and the handle is showing signs of wear. Edges of the clip side had already stripped some of the green anodizing and on the opposit side, there are two spots that the anodizing had also been stripped, because the clip had been switched to left hand carry.
When it was received, the blade drops when unlocked, which is something that I like. The integrated choil and the ones on the hanlde makes the knife fit like a glove, I dare say even the Native that I've just received back from Spyderco. The blade had scratch marks, presumably from previous testing, but the edge is still very nice. It's stilll hair shaving, and cuts smoother than the Native. It seems that the Native have more of a "saw" or microserration finish, while the AUS8 on this blade have a much smoother finish. I've cut so far paper, cardboard, bread and an orange.
Bread: It somehow would cut quite a bit, and then it would tear, while the Native would cut just fine. However, one must consider the fact that my Native is just out of the box and have only been use very lightly. The Salsa went through paper better, partly because of the smoother edge and partly because of the full flat grind. 32 piece of paper (I just folded it 5 times and the Salsa went through better than the Native. The cardboard is no contest for the Salsa, it slices them very well, and pierce better than the Native. The Salsa have a thinner stock and that helped, while the Native - although having a swedge-, the cardboard caught on to the round hole more. I suppose the Spyderhole on the Native isn't rounded as well in comparison to the Salsa. With the orange, I basically make cuts so that I could peel it, and it seems that the integrated choil would get in the way when you make the cut so that uncut orange peel gets in the way of the choil. In comparison, the Native suffered no problem.
The Salsa's compression lock is quite well done; however, because it has already been through many different hands, it was quite loose and have a front and back play (the general direction that the blade opens). Also because the pivot is already quite loose, it also have a faint side to side play. I've adjusted it so that the side-to-side play disappears, but it no longer drops when unlocked. As stated, the anodizing have been stripping off after use, and it doesn't make a good appearance.
In contrary to many of the opinions, it actually doesn't feel that wide to me - only a tad wider than my Merlin and much less scarier - and it doesn't weight that much. It's only a tad heavier than the Native or Endura and I hardly feel it.
For such a performance, I'm quite convince that it would be a great piece, but just like every other comment about anodizing here, I don't like it that much and if I do get around to own a Salsa, it would likely be the Ti version.
PS: blade retention is great, it's fairly hard to flick it open and I'm sure that it would pass a cop's search if I do come around to be searched, and it should be quite a bit people friendly, the leaf shape is rather benign, and no false edge. I'm indifferent with the presence of the cobra hood. It's kinda nice to have the extra surface for the thumb, but it doesn't really aid opening because of its oversized Spyderhole. The oversized thumbhole is great, and good for gloved/wet hands (except for the anodizing I suppose). And the blade is very stain resistant, no staining after leaving orange juice (from the peeling test) and no staining. Great utility knife.
Question: Anyone know how to change the clip. I understand the construction, and after the removal of the barrel "bolt", there's a ring that surrounds the barrel bolt (visible when you look between the handle slabs or down the hole where the barrel bolt should be. It seems that I should move it out of the way, but how?
 
calyth

Glad to see the Salsa made it there safely and that you're having fun with it!

You're right, the Salsa doesn't have the factory edge anymore. It was pretty dull when I received it. Wouldn't shave hair, let alone pop it. The tip did appear to have been rounded (probably from a Sharpmaker) and the blade was scratched.

I tried to reprofile it a bit and do a little fixing of the tip but didn't want to do too much. The edge I put on it is more polished and less toothy than the factory edge. I finished the sharpening off by stropping it on a Lee Valley Tools strop with Veritas green honing compound. That's not everyone's preference but it's the sharpening method I'm most experienced with.
 
I can see that the edge is quite polished, and beside the tasks of cutting bread, it's still quite nice.
 
Actually tracking had screwed up and I need to get the word from Normark to really know whether he received it or not.
 
Got word from Normark that he got the package and it will take him a while to have some fun with it ;)
 
For me me, it was nice little knife. Not something I would spring money for though. The steel that they made the cobra hood with felt real cheap. The blade seemd nice though.
 
Hey Guys..

I've got the Salsa...

Was away deer hunting when it arrived...
Actually didn't know it was coming this soon...

Anyway,,I'll need a few days with it,,and it shall be on its way ..

BTW..Who gets it next ??

ttyle

Eric..
 
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