SAR4 vs SAR5 vs SAR6

[Kiah]

Hey brother. What model is that in the middle?

 

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Is the model between the SAR 3 & 4 a CABS? If so I am leaning in that direction. I am looking for 1 knife to last forever. I have already broken at the handle a Kershaw fixed blade(unknown metal), the tip off my KA caper and have sharpened my Schrade sharpfiner to the point I am waiting for it to go. The sharpfinger has cleaned well over 100 deer, countless hogs, a nilgai and performed as a screwdriver when called upon. The benefits of friends with a high fenced ranch and a doe management program. If the model I referenced above will do 75% of the hard work a SAR 4, 5, or 6 will do but with a smaller blade I will chase it down. The CABS has been on my want list for a few months now and from what I see I may want to send it in for larger slabs. I really want to move towards one perfect knife for the rest of my life and and INFI appears to meet that need concerning the metal. Does anyone know of a member in or near Austin TX with a CABS that would be interested in a free enchillada plate in exchange for fondling his CABS? (man that sounds weird) I want to handle my next purchase before I pull the trigger as I am spending to much time buying a model that does not fit.

It's a fantastic knife, if your okay with the length and with the tip shape, It's not going to be nearly as pointy as the sharpfinger. The Cabs is one of the thinner busse's ever produced both in spine and edge thickness. In order to get thinner you'd have to go with the Thin NICK kitchen knife, which I imagine isn't very conducive to skinning.

I'm positive that it will meet your 75% requirement. The biggest difference that I see between the two is a single statement "Can I break this by hand if my only tools are wood?" With the SAR series, no. With the cabs, I think I could do it. If I was using a huge 4lb log as a mallet and not paying attention to hitting the tip straight on, I think I could bend it. And if I sunk it in an inch into a super hard log, I could probably bend it enough to take a set if I put my entire weight into it. But, thats what it would take. Hitting it like a guerrilla with a 4lb' mallet on it's thin tip at odd angles or putting my full weight against it to bend it.

If I had metal tools like a vice? I could definitely snap the tip off in a vice. Not nearly as easy with the SAR series, but I could still do it.

If you tried to use the CABS as a screw driver, you probably wouldn't snap the tip, but you might end up bending it, depending on the edge you put on it. Any knife used to try to pry a stuck screw out will end up taking damage, it just depends on what kind of damange. The cabs will tend to bend, take a set, and the rip/tear before it "snaps". As well as carrying a Leatherman with Bit Kit, I also carry a widgy prybar from countycomm on one of their aviation rings (with my keys) just for the occasion that I need a small prybar/screwdriver on something thats really stuck. It's small, unobtrusive and fits in with your keys so you always have it on you. The cabs could take it, but if you really do want a knife to last a lifetime you will need to take certain precautions against known damaging activities. Again, all knives will break if you pry the edge/tip against metal, the only thing that changes is when and how they break.

In the bottom right hand corner you'll see my keyring/prybar set up. I have since shifted to carrying a Boss Jack and CABJ (choiless anorexic Boss Jack, like a thinner version of the new Boss Jack LE).:

http://www.countycomm.com/widgy.htm
http://www.countycomm.com/ring.htm

BOSS Jack's vs. CABS. Note from the comparison picture posted earlier that if you get the SAR6 you'll get something slightly longer then the BOSS Jack, and a lot burlier.

CABS tip vs. Proto Boss Jack (after sharpening)

Grind profile difference

One of the benefits of the longer length of the BOSS Jacks. But, if your primary use is going to be skinning, the belly and tip of the blade is going to be very far away from your hand, and the shorter length may be much better suited.

Here are three excellent video's from Virtuovice on youtube regarding the CABS. I totally agree with him that the CABS sounds weird when you tap it on stuff. It doesn't ring out, but it's not a dull thud, it's a kind of half ring that thin plate stock makes. Strangest thing, you'll know what I mean if you end up getting one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDBpcHwp_HI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQQukgBJr-k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ek9Z_3ZxgZ8
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[youtube]Ek9Z_3ZxgZ8[/youtube]

Hey brother. What model is that in the middle?

Busse Combat BOSS hg55

 

[kurodrago]

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You & few other in this forum following suit with what B.Jerry said about this knife & also you feel in power to say that is crap becouse B.Jerry said so in the past.
I wonder how many people here believe in B. Jerry when he says that is drunk.

Now let me get your 20.000 melodramatic words straight.
You don't like SAR5 becouse the handle is big for you & the most important, you don't like the idea....That the SAR5 don't have a guard (too dangerous)? and this led you to glorify the SAR4?

 

[Kiah]

Busse Combat BOSS hg55

Thanks LVC. I'm not up on the models, but I dig that.

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You & few other in this forum following suit with what B.Jerry said about this knife & also you feel in power to say that is crap becouse B.Jerry said so in the past.
I wonder how many people here believe in B. Jerry when he says that is drunk.

Now let me get your 20.000 melodramatic words straight.
You don't like SAR5 becouse the handle is big for you & the most important, you don't like the idea....That the SAR5 don't have a guard (too dangerous)? and this led you to glorify the SAR4?

As I've said before, the SAR5 is my favorite of the Busses I've owned. That said, I understand that most people don't care for it. It's just preference. Then again, I think the Mora #2 is the best knife design ever, so ...

No need to get all personal and fight over it.

 

[MORIMOTOM]

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You & few other in this forum following suit with what B.Jerry said about this knife & also you feel in power to say that is crap becouse B.Jerry said so in the past.
I wonder how many people here believe in B. Jerry when he says that is drunk.

Now let me get your 20.000 melodramatic words straight.
You don't like SAR5 becouse the handle is big for you & the most important, you don't like the idea....That the SAR5 don't have a guard (too dangerous)? and this led you to glorify the SAR4?

what's wrong with you?

 

[Last Visible Canary]

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You & few other in this forum following suit with what B.Jerry said about this knife & also you feel in power to say that is crap becouse B.Jerry said so in the past.
I wonder how many people here believe in B. Jerry when he says that is drunk.

Now let me get your 20.000 melodramatic words straight.
You don't like SAR5 becouse the handle is big for you & the most important, you don't like the idea....That the SAR5 don't have a guard (too dangerous)? and this led you to glorify the SAR4?

I say the things I say because I've handled the knives. I have no idea how much Jerry drinks, I don't know the man personally.

I don't like the stock SAR5 because
-it's extremely butt heavy and wants to slip backwards in your hands
-If you grip it in a way where it doesn't, your hand is too far away from the edge
-For a knife that is so handle heavy, there isn't enough depth to the curve leading up to the edge to keep your finger from sliding over it.

I am not glorifying the SAR4. I do not like the SAR handles, any of them. The SAR4/6/8 handles are too big for my hand to comfortably grip in any position - note my hand. I am not saying that every person on earth shares my hand size. If it fits your hand, great. If I had to choose what was a better design, I'd choose the SAR4: That does not mean I like it or that I'm glorifying it.

Nor am I toeing the line of all busse knives. I like a select few of the models enough keep, most of them in the heavy chopper line. In smaller knives for edc I limit myself to choiless guarded models, of which there are 2 that are production runs. I claim serious problems with a lot of the models busse has produced to date. Some of them I would go so far as to say that they don't function well as knives.

If you read melodrama in my words, then you will likely always read my posts as such. I don't know that I will ever have the free time to be any more clear and concise then I've been in this thread as I'd spend hours paring them down and adding custom constructed diagrams for clarity. Instead I pull images from the web and produce "20,000" words. If you dislike my posts that much, there is an ignore button available in the forum software.

 

[Jaxx]

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You & few other in this forum following suit with what B.Jerry said about this knife & also you feel in power to say that is crap becouse B.Jerry said so in the past.
I wonder how many people here believe in B. Jerry when he says that is drunk.

Now let me get your 20.000 melodramatic words straight.
You don't like SAR5 becouse the handle is big for you & the most important, you don't like the idea....That the SAR5 don't have a guard (too dangerous)? and this led you to glorify the SAR4?

OK... seriously???

kurodrago,
LVC is entitled to have an opinion, just like you...and, he's shown remarkable patience in explaining what he does and doesn't like about it, and what he's done to make it better FOR HIM. Although he's gone to great lengths to show his reasons, I have not seen him use the word "crap" as an adjective to describe the SAR5. YOU, on the other hand, have been remarkably insulting and obtuse about an opinion different from your own...

I would suggest that you either check that attitude of yours shown here, or stand down...now.

 

[BigLebowski65]

...... I claim serious problems with a lot of the models busse has produced to date. Some of them I would go so far as to say that they don't function well as knives......

This statement could develop in to a seriously interesting and educational discussion.
I would appreciate if you were to elaborate a bit more on the subject, as I seem to be developing a similar opinion.

 

[RWT]

"Daaaaaaannnnnnngggg"..... to quote Joe Dirt. I did not realize the handle config was such an issue. I have a SAR 5 & SAR 6. I prefer the handle on the 5, then again I have a Regulator that I believe has the best handle of all of them. I was just looking for information on the handles of the diffent models as I was considering trading out the 6 for a 4 as I have come to realize the choil does not work for me. Since the 4 has the same handle config as the 6 it may be off the list. After seeing the photos of the CABS and being able to compare it to the ohers I know the CABS is better for my needs. Now I have to find one and then abuse it like a rented mule.

 

[Jaxx]

"Daaaaaaannnnnnngggg"..... to quote Joe Dirt. I did not realize the handle config was such an issue. I have a SAR 5 & SAR 6. I prefer the handle on the 5, then again I have a Regulator that I believe has the best handle of all of them. I was just looking for information on the handles of the diffent models as I was considering trading out the 6 for a 4 as I have come to realize the choil does not work for me. Since the 4 has the same handle config as the 6 it may be off the list. After seeing the photos of the CABS and being able to compare it to the ohers I know the CABS is better for my needs. Now I have to find one and then abuse it like a rented mule.

It didn't have to be, but I guess some folks like to make it so... ...while others will calmly explain. :thumbup:

This statement could develop in to a seriously interesting and educational discussion.I would appreciate if you were to elaborate a bit more on the subject, as I seem to be developing a similar opinion.

It would probably be better to start a new thread on that if you & LVC want to explore the topic further.

 

[dericdesmond]

Knives are cool

 

[leatherman]

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You & few other in this forum following suit with what B.Jerry said about this knife & also you feel in power to say that is crap becouse B.Jerry said so in the past.
I wonder how many people here believe in B. Jerry when he says that is drunk.

Now let me get your 20.000 melodramatic words straight.
You don't like SAR5 becouse the handle is big for you & the most important, you don't like the idea....That the SAR5 don't have a guard (too dangerous)? and this led you to glorify the SAR4?

Who is B Jerry?

I've been seeing a slow decline in the mood of the forum starting again, this is NOT good, lets all try to pick it up again for all our sakes.

Earlier in the winter it was blamed on the cold weather, what, is it too hot now???

 

[M67]

Knives are cool

:thumbup:

Yes!

 

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Who is B Jerry?

I've been seeing a slow decline in the mood of the forum starting again, this is NOT good, lets all try to pick it up again for all our sakes.

Earlier in the winter it was blamed on the cold weather, what, is it too hot now???

B.Jerry = Jerry Busse. If there isn't a translator program at play, then English is probably kurodrago's second language. Though the syntax is missing in a lot of places, the subject and verb's are clear enough to get the core of most of the statements which I applaud him for. I sound like I'm just waking up from a coma when I try to speak spanish

 

[kurodrago]

B.Jerry = Jerry Busse. If there isn't a translator program at play, then English is probably kurodrago's second language. Though the syntax is missing in a lot of places, the subject and verb's are clear enough to get the core of most of the statements which I applaud him for. I sound like I'm just waking up from a coma when I try to speak spanish

Yea.... I know.

 

[l2lku2]

In my opinion, LVC is a shining example of how opinions about knives should be expressed. He goes into great detail about his experiences, preferences and opinions of the knife and he explains his rationale. I have recently become interested in a SAR 5 but with the research I have done so far I find little more than those who say they hate it and those that say it is genius with very little explanation as to why.

Whether you agree with LVC or disagree with him, he should be thanked for the amount of time he puts into trying to help others.

So thanks from me LVC and also to the others who have provided informative explanations and rationale behind their opinions.

 

[ivan51]

sweet handle kurodrago who did it?

 

[kurodrago]

sweet handle kurodrago who did it?

I don't know..Ban? the custom shop? That's not my....just to show the contradiction in flavor, preference, even if you have small hands.

 

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Yea.... I know.

That looks like an excellent modification. All the elements that bother me look to havebeen adressed, a straighter spine, a nice finger swell, the curve leading into the edge is deeper with a smaller radius, and a lot of material has been removed from handle which probably gives it a much better balance. I'd love to see how it feels in hand.

I don't know who did the modification, but it wouldn't surprise me if it was ban. From that one photo, it looks like his kind of totally-blended mirror polish.

 

[lozdesign7]

It didn't have to be, but I guess some folks like to make it so... ...while others will calmly explain. :thumbup:



It would probably be better to start a new thread on that if you & LVC want to explore the topic further.

Nice work Jaxx!