Satin Jack & BATAC

[texastonydobbs]

dude,did you not ask the very same question in the RC section about the RC6 ? I own the BATAC and I love it...Razor sharp ,Very dependable Knife !!

 

[bluka94]

Yes, I indeed did. I did it in purpose.
I was asking the same question, but generaly in General forum, "Fehrman-knives"-thread, but couldn't get any direkt answer. I learned other things insteaad.
Then I decided to post a question in manufacurers forums, but only about their knives in hope to get more concrete answers. And i pointed out, for moderators, that I'm not spaming.
As you can see I'm looking for a knife that i can rely on in hand to hand combat. I've found a couple knives and hope that someone with expirience and knowledge could pinpoint one of those and say:"That's the one you'll ver need for those things you've mentioned!"
But, however, there is a risk that folks will judge with their hearts, if you know what I mean.
Here in Sweden the popular knives are: Strider, Emerson, our Fällkniven, Spyderco...
Cold steel is hated by some reason and people refer to L.T as fat bastard, i don't know why, I never met the man....

 

[bluka94]

dude,did you not ask the very same question in the RC section about the RC6 ? I own the BATAC and I love it...Razor sharp ,Very dependable Knife !!

Right...I forgot to say, you've got recommended by a forum member to answer my questions about 1095carbon steel, as expert in area.:thumbup:
But so far I've got only ONE answer despite all RAT-cutlery fans

 

[Hogwash]

If you ever get in a combat situation armed with only a knife, something went terribly wrong. At that point survival is your goal, if you are only worried about breaking a knife when you stab a rib, that's silly, if you have to stab more than one or two soldiers, someone is going to show up with a gun.

Escape and evasion or whatever they call it these days would be my concern, then you want a knife that can act as a shovel or chop concrete if it has to. This is where a Busse excels, they are knives designed to do ordinary knife tasks but due to their construction they can do things that would break most knives.

If I was looking for a knife to use as a weapon I would want a thin light weight knife. Knife fights usually end pretty quickly after the first good cut, cutting first and cutting deep are the best ways to win. A thin knife will slash better and penetrate deeper than a thick knife and it's quicker in the hand. A Boney Active Duty or Cultellus is probably as close as Busse gets to that kind of knife. A Scotch Dispenser might be a good one but I'm not sure.

 

[giant1]

Another vote for either the Satin Jack or Jack Hammer. I don't think you would be disappointed with either knife.

I would also suggest you look at the Fehrman First Strike. It has a 7 inch clip point blade, great ergos on the handle, and CMP3.

Really I'd be happy with any of these 3 in the circumstances that you describe.

 

[lancelot]

I camped and hiked with the Falkniven A1 for several years, and it served me well.:thumbup:

However, that said, after one weekend trip a couple of years ago, I loaned out my knife to one of my buddies (who apparently used it to break apart some crates with nails or something). Naturally, when I got it back I noticed several chips (not rolls) in the blade. To make a long story short I got a Swamp Rat, then a Busse, then another, etc. When I got my Busse CGFBM when they first came out last year, I decided to whack it into a concrete block along with the A1, to compare their "chip resistance." In hindsight, should've taken pictures. The A1 chipped out, but the Busse only rolled slightly. So I sharpened up my A1 and gave it to my brother

IMNHO, you need to pick the proper steel for the application and then the design. If I had to choose between laminated VG-10 and INFI in the applications you've described, I'd go with INFI any day. In my experience, INFI won't chip out (better edge holding/wear resistance), but the toughness of the two is comparable (arguably INFI is tougher as well, but I have never pushed either knife extremely enough to judge the difference).

The following sites have proven useful for me, even though their knife-testing methodologies have been received in some circles with scorn:

http://www.cutleryscience.com/reviews/reviews.html

http://knifetests.com/

Best of luck with your decision.

 

[bluka94]

If you ever get in a combat situation armed with only a knife, something went terribly wrong. At that point survival is your goal, if you are only worried about breaking a knife when you stab a rib, that's silly, if you have to stab more than one or two soldiers, someone is going to show up with a gun.

Escape and evasion or whatever they call it these days would be my concern, then you want a knife that can act as a shovel or chop concrete if it has to. This is where a Busse excels, they are knives designed to do ordinary knife tasks but due to their construction they can do things that would break most knives.

If I was looking for a knife to use as a weapon I would want a thin light weight knife. Knife fights usually end pretty quickly after the first good cut, cutting first and cutting deep are the best ways to win. A thin knife will slash better and penetrate deeper than a thick knife and it's quicker in the hand. A Boney Active Duty or Cultellus is probably as close as Busse gets to that kind of knife. A Scotch Dispenser might be a good one but I'm not sure.

I hope it will never comes to that...but just in case to have to use a knife to neutralize my oponent. Ofcourse, you aim for the neck or other soft, vital part of body at first, trying to avoid bones and such. And to judge of what I've read so far about INFI, the ribs and other bones are not a problem for INFI blade/tip. INFI is new for me. On swedish forums I only found one (1) guy that has Busse's blades. And he is collector, not user...

So far SJ and JH seem to be good choice regarding to blade lenght and wight. Any one who knows what the pricing will be for JH?

 

[bluka94]

Another vote for either the Satin Jack or Jack Hammer. I don't think you would be disappointed with either knife.

I would also suggest you look at the Fehrman First Strike. It has a 7 inch clip point blade, great ergos on the handle, and CMP3.

Really I'd be happy with any of these 3 in the circumstances that you describe.

Yes, SJ and JH woild be perfect due to their lenght. First Strike is little to long for my taste. Have you handled a Fehrman before? How about Cold Fury for those purposes I've mentioned?

 

[bluka94]

I camped and hiked with the Falkniven A1 for several years, and it served me well.:thumbup:

However, that said, after one weekend trip a couple of years ago, I loaned out my knife to one of my buddies (who apparently used it to break apart some crates with nails or something). Naturally, when I got it back I noticed several chips (not rolls) in the blade. To make a long story short I got a Swamp Rat, then a Busse, then another, etc. When I got my Busse CGFBM when they first came out last year, I decided to whack it into a concrete block along with the A1, to compare their "chip resistance." In hindsight, should've taken pictures. The A1 chipped out, but the Busse only rolled slightly. So I sharpened up my A1 and gave it to my brother

IMNHO, you need to pick the proper steel for the application and then the design. If I had to choose between laminated VG-10 and INFI in the applications you've described, I'd go with INFI any day. In my experience, INFI won't chip out (better edge holding/wear resistance), but the toughness of the two is comparable (arguably INFI is tougher as well, but I have never pushed either knife extremely enough to judge the difference).

The following sites have proven useful for me, even though their knife-testing methodologies have been received in some circles with scorn:

http://www.cutleryscience.com/reviews/reviews.html

http://knifetests.com/

Best of luck with your decision.

A1 is already under consideration. Battle Mistress is to big for my use. And as earlier mentioned, the hardest thing the knife will penetrate are ribs and one or another bone on its way in...As for Busse, I think SJ and JH would be perfect.

I've checked out those test, but I'll not even get close to that kind of abuse with my knife.

 

[Hogwash]

I hope it will never comes to that...but just in case to have to use a knife to neutralize my oponent. Ofcourse, you aim for the neck or other soft, vital part of body at first, trying to avoid bones and such. And to judge of what I've read so far about INFI, the ribs and other bones are not a problem for INFI blade/tip. INFI is new for me. On swedish forums I only found one (1) guy that has Busse's blades. And he is collector, not user...

So far SJ and JH seem to be good choice regarding to blade lenght and wight. Any one who knows what the pricing will be for JH?

The Jack Hammer is going to be $267 in the upcoming 'ganzaa. If you want to get one, read all of the instructions as soon as they are posted and make sure that you send your order as soon as you see the go post, they will probably sell out, there are a lot of fast people who want these knives, don't get left out in the cold.

 

[bluka94]

The Jack Hammer is going to be $267 in the upcoming 'ganzaa. If you want to get one, read all of the instructions as soon as they are posted and make sure that you send your order as soon as you see the go post, they will probably sell out, there are a lot of fast people who want these knives, don't get left out in the cold.

Only $267??? It's nothing, man... I've expected more like $400+
I don't know anything about "ganza". On bussecombat.com are Ash-es, still...
Where can I read those "instructions"? I would like to keep myself posted about this one.
Do you know anything about JH's thickness? I assume blade lenght is the same as SJ (6")?

 

[Hogwash]

They are something like 0.1875-0.200" thick.

The 'ganzaa is run on the forums. Jerry will post pictures of the knives available, then he will post prices and instructions. He will identify a one hour period for when the "go" signal will be posted. Once you see the go post, you send in an email with your order and wait to hear if you score. The orders are filled in the order they are received so you have to be fast, but you can't just spam their in box, that will get your order thrown out.

The 'ganzaa is a chaotic event and it usually stresses the blade forum servers to the breaking point, you have to prepare for that.

The 'ganzaa should also have Hell Razors and SARscuatches for $287 so take a look at them before you decide what to order. Also you can place a conditional order, like "I'll take a Jack Hammer or a Hell Razor if the Jack Hammer is not available". That might increase your chance of getting a Busse, if you are on the fence deciding between two models, availability might make the choice for you.

 

[bluka94]

Ok, thanks, Hogwash!

i'll keep an eye on busses subforum here at BF and hope for the best.
I have to admit that's very unusual way to sell knives...I mean other manufacturers have full assortment of products on their sites...But that works for Jerry, I guess...

In case I miss "go"-post (which can easily happen due to different timezone - Sweden/USA) how long could it take before JH shows up here on Busses for sale - subforum?

 

[Hogwash]

I haven't looked but I imagine that there are a few people who bought them at blade who would sell right now. You could try a want to buy post.

 

[I'mGatMan!]

Hey Bluka,

Spend a bit of time here and work on building friendships. There will probably be someone willing to proxy for you (when someone buys the blade FOR you, and then you pay him/her for the knife and shipping.) I would be willing to do it, but it really depends on when it goes down. Also, be aware that if someone DOES proxy for you, you will still have to pay international shipping AND taxes to your customs. Also, once something is shipped internationally, there is really no way to track it.

Jason

I myself might want a nuclear EDC or a Squatch, but money's kinda tight right now. I have proxied for people during the last 2 ganzas without getting anything for myself though, and have come through each time.

 

[bluka94]

That with PROXY sounds nice...All of people that hang here at Busses subforum can be trusted I think...Nobody wants to get "dirt on his face" for couple of $100 and end up in Hall of Shame. Busse fans stick together, so far I've seen:thumbup:

This is the only subforum where I posted same question asking for recomendation and got tons of answers. That itself says something about people here.

I could easily trust any of Busse fans. It's just to find someone who is willing to PROXY for me, someone who has time/nerves/will to pull it off if I need it...

 

[I'mGatMan!]

This is the only subforum where I posted same question asking for recomendation and got tons of answers. That itself says something about people here.

I know you're complimenting us with this statement, but I'm surprised that you feel you didn't get any answers or suggestions in other places. There was a lot of good info in the Fehrman thread.

Really, you're not going to miss with either a Busse or a Fehrman, or some of the other knives that have been suggested. There are a lot of quality makers out there who stand behind their products. The Busse Bell Razor, Satin Jack tac, or Badger Attack tac are all good knives that will serve you well. If you want a Hell Razor, I would wait for the ganzaa (Jerry usually posts pics of the offerings a couple days before the ganza) and get a Jack Hammer. Otherwise, decide what you want by looking at the catalogs on www.hogcult.com or www.bussecollector.com and then come here and post a "want to buy" thread. You may get exactly what you want (unless you're wanting a rare/expensive blade like the SFNO.) Good luck

J

 

[bluka94]

but I'm surprised that you feel you didn't get any answers or suggestions in other places. There was a lot of good info in the Fehrman thread.
J

OMG you're right, ofcourse. I completly forgot about that thread
I was thinking of number of answers themselves.
But, ofcourse, by every answer I get and read I learn something new.:thumbup:
And I'll definitely check out those links you've posted.

Thanks!

 

[bluka94]

About that ganza Hogwash mentioned...What's usualy subject of the thread? I imagine that the subject will contain words like "ganza" and "jackhammer"?

So I know what I should keep looking for:thumbup:

 

[norcalblacktail]

Bluka I will PM with advance notice when the Ganzaa thread pops up.