Saving for Glocks... which one first?

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Stiletto Raggio

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Here at the academy, we get a pretty hefty savings on lots of different guns, quite notably on Beretta products and Glocks. I am going to get a Glcok for concealed carry, but I also want to have fun shooting it. I think 40 S&W is pretty much optimum for the Glock design, so here for immediate purhcase, it is betweent eh 23 and the 27. I have heard that the 27 kicks too much to shoot lot, but I put thirty rounds through a .50 Desert Eagle this summer and it didn't bug me at all. Also, I will be getting hi-caps for my bigger-than-mini-Glocks, so capacity is something to consider.

Ultimately, I see myself with a big one (24 or 35), a medium one (22 or 23) and a 27. Which one first?

Also, I want to get leather and a Blue gun to practice before I get the real thing (I have 29 weeks until I turn 21). Any suggestions on carry holsters?
 
My service pistol is a G19 and I carry a G23 in by Tac Vest as a BUG. Love them both.
 
another vote for the G19. packable, shootable.

traded mine for a rare piece. was sorry the next day, will have another ASAP.
 
I also carry the G19 daily. I cant compare it to the 23 as I have never had the oppertunity to shoot it and my agency has very strict regs on what we can carry. I also have an issue G26 that I tend to carry off duty. Its a great gun and easy to conceal, especially on the ankle, but if you want an every day gun to shoot go for the 19, its much more comfortable to shoot.
-Wick
 
Another vote for the Glock 19.

I bought mine in 1989 and still think there's none better.

Get night sites and 17 round mags. ;)
 
Another satisfied Glock 19 owner checking in. It carries easily and just feels right. The model 23 has the same exterior dimensions if you like .40cal. I use +2 hi-caps for 17+1 in the gun. Sometimes I carry two spares, that adds up to 52 rds!
 
One reason I am going with 40 S&W is that I am going to take a class this winter to be made a reserve police officer in my hometown. I am friends with a detective (and SWAT sniper) on the department, and he is trying to work it out for me. The department gun is a G22, so I wanted something that would be compatible. I have never shot the G23, but I shot and loved both the g22 and the G19. Even though the 19 was a bit smaller, it felt so comfortable and easy to point that I knew I wanted one.

My friend on the Combat Weapons team advised me to skip the 23 and just get a 27 for CC and a 22 for open carry. His reasoning is that there is no need to compromise when you are going to be carrying for different reasons. I guess I just feel taht the 23 would handle better and carry more rounds than the 27, and would be markably more concealable.

As far as mags go, I was thinking that I would just get one high cap for the 23 and get 22 mags for all of my back ups. That would save the trouble of getting mag extensions and would make them usable in all of my guns.
 
Originally posted by Stiletto Raggio
...Even though the 19 was a bit smaller, it felt so comfortable and easy to point that I knew I wanted one...
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Exactly. ;)
 
Don't bother with one of those 9mm sissy-Glocks...Get yourself a 10mm Glock model 20!.:D. Seriously, in the ".40", either the model 23 or the slightly larger model 22 is the way to go. Carried IWB in a "plastic" Blade-Tech holster, the Glock pretty much disappears.
 
I was thinking of potential rigs, and the Galco Miami Classic did come to mind, although I want the version with the straps that flare on your shoulder for more even weight distribution. I think it owuld serve well for both the 22 and 23. I was also looking at a SOB belt holster for the 23. For the 27 I will get both an IWB and ankle holsters. Of course, I'll be getting a Safariland 6004 for open carry of the 22 (or 35) with an M3 tac light. I know I just listed about three hundred dollars of leather (and plastic), but I want this "carry system" to be suitable for about any outfit I would wear. To this end, I'll be putting night sights on the 23 and 27.

I am also looking for a good aluminum case to store a small, medium and large Glock, about ten magazines, four boxes of ammo, and my tac light. My friend has several cases of Winchester Lawman (formerly Black Talon) for carry ammo and he said he will give me some.

Any other suggestions on "must have" accessories?

All in all, this "project" should run about 1500 bucks if the prices I have been quoted hold true, but, like I said, I am saving my pennies.
 
Skip the G27, buy the G35 and G23. The 35 is probably the ultimate tactical Glock, with G22 hicaps, the M3 and the 6004, you will have almost the ultimate setup, short of - and only slightly - a Wilson 45 or an STI. The 35 is close to the best tactical handgun you can buy, better than any Kimber, Springfield or other production 1911.

The 23 is small enough to conceal well if you choose the right holster - IWB is fine, stick with leather from Don Hume, Milt Sparks or Greg Kramer. Get a good gunbelt, Wilderness Instructor for tactical or competition, and Galco or Kramer for CCW.

The 27 is neat but with a 23 it's not necessary unless you just HAVE to carry a Glock on your ankle.

Skip the shoulder rig, you have to wear a jacket and the gun is always pointing at somebody. Go with IWB or a strongside belt rig.

Skip the aluminum case and go with an appropriate Pelican case, you can cut out the foam to fit and they are indestructible.

Just my nickel - you're headed the right direction. Once you turn 21, consider joining USPSA or IDPA and competing once in awhile, it's fun and it definitely makes you a better shooter.

Join the NRA if you haven't already, and good luck following your commission.
 
Here is what Galco says in comparing the two should rigs.

"The Miami Classic and SSII shoulder systems have the same holster component and double ammo carrier; the difference is in the harness only. The Miami Classic harness is made with all four straps being of equal width, where the SSII harness becomes wider over the shoulder area. The Miami Classic is the most popular and some feel it is easier to conceal, as well as cooler with the narrow straps. Others may tell you that the SSII wider harness is more comfortable, as it spreads the weight over a wider area. Small framed people, or those with larger builds, tend to do better with the Miami Classic."

I really like my Miami Classic rig.
 
With the SIG in the photo, or another revolver, DAO or DA/SA pistol that can be carried hammer down on a loaded chamber, a shoulder rig is a solid choice if you wear the outfits to conceal them. They are certainly fast, especially when seated.

With a condition one 45, or a loaded Glock, to me they are a little scary. JMO.
 
Originally posted by xsrdx
With the SIG in the photo, or another revolver... shoulder rig is a solid choice... With a condition one 45, or a loaded Glock, to me they are a little scary. JMO.
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How is the revolver carry different than the Glock?
 
How is the revolver carry different than the Glock?

Only in the amount of effort required to cycle the action. To fire the revolver, you have to cycle the entire DA trigger stroke, a substantial amount of trigger movement and effort. Same with a DA/SA auto or DAO auto. Lots of movement, and thus plenty of time to decide if you REALLY want to pull the trigger.

With a Glock, a relatively small amount of pressure is required to fire the gun, and a much shorter trigger cycle. This makes them very, very fast from the draw to the first round - no DA trigger pull - but it also makes them more prone to negligent discharge, usually by an operator leaving their trigger finger inside the guard upon reholstering. Glocks, like 1911's, are really best employed by experienced operators.

The Glock is not unsafe by any means - but it has less margin for error. Same with a 1911. With a belt holster, a stupid mistake costs you a hole in the floor, or you shoot yourself in the leg. With a shoulder holster, shooting someone else is a real possibility. Given the number of LEO negligent discharges while reholstering loaded Glocks, I wouldn't recommend a shoulder rig.
 
Originally posted by xsrdx
How is the revolver carry different than the Glock?
...Lots of movement, and thus plenty of time to decide if you REALLY want to pull the trigger...
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I have to disagree on the "lots of movement" and "plenty of time to decide."

I was taught not to put your finger inside the trigger guard unless you REALLY are sure you want to fire the gun.
 
I have to disagree on the "lots of movement" and "plenty of time to decide."
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A typical revolver takes about 7-9 lbs of pressure and an inch of smooth, deliberate travel to fire from hammer down.

A Glock takes 3.5-5lbs of pressure and an abrupt 1/3 inch to fire.

No comparison - a revolver takes more effort, and time, to activate than a Glock.

People -including trained police officers - don't often shoot themselves reholstering revolvers or DA automatics. Even 1911's are less prone to ND because of the grip and thumb safeties.

They do it quite a bit with Glocks, all it takes is an obstruction in the trigger guard - a thumbreak, finger, clothing, whatever.

Glocks aren't unsafe, but they are unforgiving.

A shoulder holster/Glock combo is just asking for it, IMO, but it all depends on the operator.
 
Originally posted by xsrdx
A typical revolver takes about 7-9 lbs... A Glock takes 3.5-5lbs.

... a revolver takes more effort, and time, to activate than a Glock...

IMO, but it all depends on the operator.
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In a must shoot situation; you're not going to be able to tell the difference in a 3.5 and 9 lb trigger pull, the effort or the time.

I do agree that it depends on the operator. :)
 
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