Saving for Glocks... which one first?

I carry a G27 in a Galco Deep Cover IWB holster.

If you are going to go dedicated-concecaled, I would do the G27 and use the 9 round magazines that come with it. For backup a full capacity G22 department issued magazine would be great.

The compact G19/G23 is a great all-around frame, but when concealment is absolutely necessary or if the pistol will be used as a back up gun, I'd stick with the subcompact frame.
 
"The 35 is probably the ultimate tactical Glock..." -Ever questioned the durability of the adjustable sights on the 35? I'm not saying that I do, but I am curious.

"A shoulder holster/Glock combo is just asking for it, IMO, but it all depends on the operator." -Obviously you aren't trying to say taht anyone here is irresponsible. I have been looking for vertical shoulder holsters, but nobody seems to be making them. I think the shoulder carry would be really comfortable and allows for the extra magazines. Also, I am really thinking of the shoulder holster in place of the 6004 for when I want more firepower, but not so obvious, as when going into a bad part of town. When I carry a smaller gun (most of the time) it will be either SOB or IWB. If I fear getting into a bad spot, I would likely have ahsoulder rig and a SOB.

Regarding negligent discharges, I think that almost all of them can be traced to poor training and handling practices. The finger should never be in the trigger guard unless you are ready to shoot. My dad taught me that when I was 8. Also, because of the internal safeties, it won't go off if dropped, which is not somtheitn you can say of all open hammer weapons.

"The 27 is neat but with a 23 it's not necessary unless you just HAVE to carry a Glock on your ankle." -Is ankle carry comfortable? Is the 27 controllable in in rapid fire? Is a back up gun really necessarry for civilian CC?

As for extra mags, how much ammo do you guys carry on average? I would want one extra mag, but are two really necessary?

Finally, does anyone know where I could get a rig that would hold a glock under one arm and a Cuda CQC under the other? I just want one for fun :)
 
27 is a great gun, don't believe the hype, go rent one and see if it kicks to hard for YOU.

me personally I like the 9mm's, G17,G26,G19 and G34
 
I think this would make a good Glock 19 shoulder rig; with 18 rounds you shouldn't need any magazines, but they don't make it for the 19.
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I have one for a PPK and it's very comfortable. :cool:
 
Originally posted by RGRAY
I think this would make a good Glock 19 shoulder rig; with 18 rounds you shouldn't need any magazines, but they don't make it for the 19.
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I have one for a PPK and it's very comfortable. :cool:
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Who makes this rig? Are they available for a 17 and 26?
 
Just found what may be the nicest holsters I have seen, and at very reasonable prices.

http://www.rfholsters.com/rfholsters/dept.asp?dept_id=10

Lou Alessi? Who is he? Apparently he is a great holster maker. All of this stuff is made to order, and I have read that the Bodyguard is quite good. I have never liked thumb-break holsters, and now it seems as though I have something besides kydex to go for. Leather is just so much nicer looking, and probably a lot more comfortable.

One more thing: triggers. I ahve shot several Gl.ocks (17, 19, 21, 22, 34) and their triggers always seemed fine to me. Are these standard triggers what you should stick with for defense, or go with a New York? How about a lighter one (3.5lb)?
 
I dont have the G27 but I do have the G26. Ankle carry is comfortable. It took me a little bit to get used to it but now I dont mind. I find its the most convienent way to carry completly concelaed.

As far as rapid fire control, the 26 is not bad. However, get pinky extensions for the mag, I found that helped a lot.

Are you planing on carrying this weapon on a CCP or are you a LEO? Personally I think a shoulder rig would be a pain in the ass for a CCP. It means always having a jacket on or something to cover up with. Unless you are a person who walks around with there weapon exposed. I have never liked that all that much. Im a non-uniform LEO so its a bit easier for me to walk around with an exposed weapon, although I still dont like it. That is why I prefer an ankle holster off duty.
 
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Makes holsters with offside knife carry, the one pictured holds one mag plus a gunting knife.
 
<i>Ever questioned the durability of the adjustable sights on the 35? </i>

Factory Glock sights - excepting the steel night sights - suck. If you buy a Glock without night sights, put Heinie, Novak or some other steel sights on it. Adjustables are generally more trouble than necessary on a fighting handgun, but that's more personal opinion.

As for Alessi holsters, he's one of a handful of masters, along with guys like Milt Sparks and Greg Kramer. You will not be disappointed with an Alessi holster.

For Glock and general gun info, spend some time on GlockTalk and The Firing Line forums - a few hours there may save you hassles later.

Glock triggers are love/hate, I personally have grown to tolerate -and even appreciate -them. The 34/35 come with 3.5lb connectors, the 22,23 and 27 will have 5lb. triggers. For carry, the 5lb is a better choice. The 34 and 35 are competition/tactical guns and the lighter trigger requires training, discipline and practice.

As for Glock ND's, there is no doubt the frequency of ND's is due entirely to poor gun handling. BUT - Glocks give no quarter. Carrying a loaded Glock, especially one with light trigger, is like carrying a DA/SA auto - a SIG or S&W for example -with the hammer back and safety off. Touch the trigger with anything, with fairly light pressure, and it will discharge.

Glocks demand respect, and your full attention, or they will bite. Minor handling errors, like leaving even a portion of your finger in the trigger guard upon reholstering, can become major problems.

As for extra magazines, if I'm going somewhere that might require more than 8 rounds of 45, I'll bring the shotgun.

I suppose it all depends on where you hang out - if I need extra magazines and a backup gun, it's likely I shouldn't have been there in the first place.

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Take it from a certified Glock instructor and armorer: The 27 is the best concealed carry gun in the game, the 23 is nextm larger but still concealable. Stay away from shoulder holsters, they look good on TV but a good Galco inside the wasteband holster will be easier to conceal with more types of clothing and is aheck of alot more comfortable, the shoulder rigs just are not what they seem on tv, stay away from 9mm it's a military round does great in situation where you can afford to fire 50 rounds to take something down, but has very poor one shot stops, go with the .40 same size guns and one shot take downs that match the old .357's. and in the real everyday world you want to do what you have to do in the least amount of rounds.
 
The best glock is a Sig Sauer! No really, if you gotta get a glock, get the 32 in .357, smooooth! Don't get a beretta. The Ohio Highway Patrol switched to Sig Sauer's, because they had so many problems with the beretta's.
 
I have never understood the .357Sig , It's a .40 cal. except it cost more to shoot? never made any sense to me, the ballistics are the same, no advantage to it at all except maybe in the round feeding, which is mute since .40 cals have no feed problems.

Sorry, I just always thought the ,357Sig was a gimmick round. Sigs I like though!
 
You are right, the 357 and 40 are similar ballistically, but it has been reported by the gun media, that the 357 is more consistently accurate. I don't know by how much.
 
I have always been intrigued by the 40 S&W round. It was coming out just as I was starting to realy educate myself about small arms (sixth grade). It beats the hell out of a 9mm balistically, and you give up only two rounds in the mag (or none with post ban mags). The temptaition fo getting a 9mm is the potential for free ammo (since I am in the Army), but since I can only use my personal weapons as a civilian, who cares? And with Wolf now making 40 for only a buck more per box than 9mm, you can shoot all day for cheap.

I know the 27 will be easier to conceal than the 23, but that is really the poinst oy my dilemma. I'll be getting at least three 40 cal Glocks before it is all said and done, but I am leaning toward the 23 as my first since it is conealaable but large enough to shoot all day comfortably or use as a primary sidearm.

Also, the 27 can't utilize a tac light, and I plan on getting an M3 simultaneously. If I can only have one right now, it is going to be usable at night.
 
While 357/40SW/45 all have a well deserved reputation as "fight stoppers", it's not realistic to dismiss a properly loaded 9mm as some kind of weak sister.

With the RIGHT AMMO, 9mm has been and continues to be an excellent choice, and quite a few people can control a 9mm much better than they can a larger caliber handgun.

If you stoke a 9mm with FMJ, you might very well need a few extra mags to make your point, but loaded with +p Gold Dot, Golden Saber or CorBon, or similar expanding JHPs, 9mm is a controllable, effective pistol caliber.

It may be marginally less effective than a 40 loaded with equivalent ammo, but two solid hits with 9mm +p JHP will have the desired effect - and hits with a 9mm are far superior to misses with larger calibers.
 
While 357/40SW/45 all have a well deserved reputation as "fight stoppers", it's not realistic to dismiss a properly loaded 9mm as some kind of weak sister.
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Maybe not. BUT I have been directly Involved with 4 shooting Incidents that involved a 9mm, it was a poor performance every time. One even had 6 count them SIX hits and the guy kept going and he was not "on" anything or drinking, just poor performance, 9mm doesn’t work very well through clothing at all, the heavier the clothing the worse it gets and that’s more so then any other major caliber. The incident involving the .40 went alot better. Have seen a .40 do a one shot stop on subject who was heavily intoxicated, stoped him in his tracks no more movement nothing, and thats what you want in a handgun, you want to stop the aggression as fast as possible. I had the privilege to attend the FBI's/Speer ballistic testing a few years back in Virginia the 9mm performed poor there compared to the .40 cal. yes the 9mm can be easier to handle than larger rounds but that’s no excuse, that problem can be overcome with practice.

As far as the .357 being more accurate then the .40 I could see that it does have higher velocities but I doubt the difference is enough to worry about besides most guns can outshoot the people shooting them anyway (including myself).

I think the 23 would be a good choice in the 1st gun, it will conceal well and is a good shooter for the range. As far as the flashlight attachment, thats another story, I wouldnt want the 1st thing someone shoots for to be centered at my head or chest but some people like that :cool:
 
I have been directly Involved with 4 shooting Incidents that involved a 9mm, it was a poor performance every time.
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I'd be curious to know what ammo was involved, just for comparison. I am convinced bullet selection is critical with 9mm, and it hasn't been until recently that bullet technology has improved enough to make the wondernine effective. Previous generation 115gr or 147gr JHP's don't perform nearly as well as current generation 124gr +p JHPs, like Gold Dot or Golden Saber.

Having said all that, I certainly agree 40SW is a superior choice, with near 9mm capacity and near 45ACP performance. Recoil is pretty substantial, but not unmanageable for a shooter that's willing to practice.

I'd still feel pretty well armed with a G19 stoked with 15rds of 124gr +P JHPs.
 
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