Schatt & Morgan?

Dave2, Case's Tru-Sharp is a proprietary form of 420 HC. By all the experience of users on BFC, it seems the Schatt & Morgan heat treat produces a slightly better edge holding 420 HC than the Case, but nowhere near the edge holding of their ATS-34 F&W blades, or Queen's D2.
 
Here's their Sowbelly Trapper...I really fell for the Worm jigged bone, and am a huge fan of ATS-34. Initially this one was a great dissapointment. Blade wobble side to side, and the clip blade would bottom out on the spring and create about a 1/4 inch long flat spot on the forward curve of the point. After some unorthodox tinkering, I have resolved it's issues, and do like this knife a lot.
I look forward to reading positive things in the future about this line, but presently, my money will be spent elsewhere.



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fatcorgi said:
since the Schatt and Morgan are a premium line from Queen, does this mean that their schields are also pinned? or are they also glued like the cheaper lines from Queen?
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The shield on mine is glued. Not sure on the file and wires.
 
akadave2 said:
I just picked up a great congress made by Schatt & Morgan. I dont see too many thread on this company...are they not very good?
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A superb knife

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Queen 1/2 Congress in D2 and Cocobolo
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OP - I hope you're getting the sense that Queen has been hit and miss in recent years. Of the two recent Queens my 2010 S&M Moose has a gap on the backspring, but I bought it as a user so it gets a pass. I've mentioned in a different thread that I still haven't quite bonded with the knife. The second is a Queen made Robeson Railsplitter and is simply perfect.

Make sure you can handle or return the knife before buying it.

Mark
 
my one and only S&M a 2004 Wildcat Driller
mine came perfect the only thing that wouldve be better would be if it was a Carbon steel, but it takes a decent edge...
its a big un though, little much for pocket carry
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Mixed bag has been my experience.

The stainless models really disappoint me: too many obvious gaps, lots of blade play, raised springs on open. (English Jack, Half Whittler, Horticulturalist's Jack, Premier Series Jack) Earlier models may be better, a single blade trapper I have from 91 is decent enough, thick sabre blade though.

Got an Ebony Heritage single blade Clip last year in a forum sale and been delighted with it (same as tomsch showed but Clip blade) I'd really like to get the Spear version in Rosewood. I also like the bone Woodsman that Mark showed, but getting them is hard here in the Old World! I think this is a very promising line and approach using carbon on old resurrected patterns rather than the previous series in blingy stainless. This line could be important in the newly owned company's turnaround.
 
Steven65 said:
I love em particularly the stockmans.......

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That is a lovely line up. There are more than few in there I love the look of. The sunfish with the coined/stamped bolsters is great. I have eyed that one for a long time. The English Jack is also great looking (wharcliff main, and pen secondary, I am assuming).

In fact, there is not a bad looking one in that bunch!
 
Bigfattyt said:
That is a lovely line up. There are more than few in there I love the look of. The sunfish with the coined/stamped bolsters is great. I have eyed that one for a long time. The English Jack is also great looking (wharcliff main, and pen secondary, I am assuming).
In fact, there is not a bad looking one in that bunch!
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Thanks for the kind words.........:)

The little sunfish you refer to is a loverly knife. It is a perfect size for the pocket and the stamped bolsters is really classic. Grab one if you can.......

Steven
 
Hmmm. I've been hankering for more of a handful of ebony ever since receiving my sma' GEC barlow in the same. The form factor of S&M's 2-blade Heritage Jack really appeals to me, but without being able to see one in person before buying I'm leery. Conventional (okay, BF and BF vendor) wisdom seems to be that these can still be hit and miss, and I don't have the Skillz some of you others have to fix gaps, wibble-wobble, etc.

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But did I mention the form factor is really appealing?!

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Let me see If I can quell your anxiety for one.......I have three different knives from the Heritage Series coming from both releases, yes all are beautiful but......let me say here that S&M was the very first company I began purchasing and have umpteen dozen starting from 1991....all three exhibit varying degrees of less than stellar fit primarily around the back spring and handles, but what I really dislike is the weak springs rating from a strong 3 to a weak 4.......I think I've found stronger springs from souvenir knives in bubble gum machines.
 
pertinux said:
But did I mention the form factor is really appealing?!
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You did, and I agree. If you are not locked in to this particular model, but like the form factor, that itch can likely be scratched on the vintage market. That 2011 Heritage jack is 3.375", not an uncommon size for vintage ebony shod jacks. My LF&C is 3.25".

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Boggs said:
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Let me see If I can quell your anxiety for one.......I have three different knives from the Heritage Series coming from both releases, yes all are beautiful but......let me say here that S&M was the very first company I began purchasing and have umpteen dozen starting from 1991....all three exhibit varying degrees of less than stellar fit primarily around the back spring and handles, but what I really dislike is the weak springs rating from a strong 3 to a weak 4.......I think I've found stronger springs from souvenir knives in bubble gum machines.
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Jim,

I think the above counts as confirming my anxiety!

I appreciate your input; having now strengthened my hands and nails on GECs, I believe the above (which I hadn't known to take into account) would really bother me, especially at this price point.

Sigh. So close and yet so far.... I mean, just look at the thing! A tease.

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I thought I'd show the ones I have.

First up is a big sowbelly trapper given to me by Duncan (Campbellclanman):

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Next up is my fledgling group of Keystone jack knives:

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and lastly my Heritage series jacks:

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Ed J
 
Very nice photos, everyone!

pertinux said:
Jim,

I think the above counts as confirming my anxiety!

I appreciate your input; having now strengthened my hands and nails on GECs, I believe the above (which I hadn't known to take into account) would really bother me, especially at this price point.

Sigh. So close and yet so far.... I mean, just look at the thing! A tease.

~ P.
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I've only got two Schatt & Morgan knives and one GEC. One of my Schatt & Morgan knives is a lockback, (Thanks Black Mamba!) but the other is A 2012 Woodsman. My GEC is the 2012 Forum Knife. The main blade on the woodsman actually has a little stronger of a pull than either of the blades on the Forum Knife, while the small blades on the Woodsman have a little lighter pull than the GEC's. I'd call the GEC pulls 5-6, while the Woodsman's main blade is a 6-7.

Here's some pictures I just took, so we can see how the Woodsman is aging in the months since I bought it, and a comparison shot with this year's Forum Knife.

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