Schrade 100th Anniversary Knives - Show 'em!

[Bob W]

A bit OT, but I gotta ask...

Aggiebuilder2003,
Regarding the lower three knives, the red bone handled Old Timers, in your group photo.
Those are really uncommon, especially in a complete set. Have you had them long? Do they have the serial numbers stamped on the bolsters?

 

[Bob W]

Here is an Anniversary scam to be on the lookout for, an oldie but goodie:

Leftover pins and tins being matched to Chinese Taylor knives. Didn't fool me though; the tang stamp is the giveaway.

 

[Codger_64]

Thankyou for reminding us about those Bob! Even if the blades can't be seen, the real ones will show a thin dark line where the Delrin covers abutt the bolsters. And the pins may also be finished differently than the real ones. Confusing matters even more, some real knives were put into leftover boxes with the wrong felted trays and hat pins.

 

[banana-clip]

Those are some beautiful knives.

 

[aggiebuilder2003]

A bit OT, but I gotta ask...

Aggiebuilder2003,
Regarding the lower three knives, the red bone handled Old Timers, in your group photo.
Those are really uncommon, especially in a complete set. Have you had them long? Do they have the serial numbers stamped on the bolsters?

I've had them about 7 or 8 months. Unfortunately, no they are not a complete set. The 34OT and 108OT are stamped with the same serial numbers, but the 8OT does not belong to the set. Notice the bolsters and tang stamp are different from the other two. I did however recently find an 8OT that does match the set, but of course the serial number doesn't match the other two. The person I bought the group from in that photo said that the 8OT that is shown is what came with the set and that he had been in possesion of it for a number of years. Here is the group from when I bought them with the case and also the new 8OT I recently picked up.

Thanks for asking!

Chuck

 

[Bob W]

Thanks for asking!

Chuck

Thanks for the information. I learned something new from your photo too:

My set came in an ugly brown case with a Schrade sticker on top. It didn't look like something that Schrade would have made, so I assumed that it was simply something that the previous owner had used to store the knives. BUT, it's the exact same as the case in your photo.

It still doesn't look like a Schrade product, so perhaps the dealer matched the knife sets to some surplus cases? Regardless, I'm glad I didn't throw the stinky ugly thing out.

 

[ea42]

Bob,
Those cases are actually legit. They were popular during that era for a number of sets, the NKCA museum set and a Case NKCA set come to mind. I wonder if some jewelry case manufacture hit the knife manufacturers with a sweet deal back then.

 

[aggiebuilder2003]

It still doesn't look like a Schrade product, so perhaps the dealer matched the knife sets to some surplus cases? Regardless, I'm glad I didn't throw the stinky ugly thing out.

I'm with ya there! I don't know about yours, but the felt lining is deteriorated and beyond repair in mine. I've actually contemplated getting a nice felt and wrapping the foam liners so that the lining doesn't "dust" the knives. Mine has the Schrade sticker on top as well, although if I remember right my case is more black than brown.

Chuck

 

[thawk]

Always wanted a set of those bone handled Old Timers. Have only seen the full set maybe twice on Ebay, and one of those was the set you got. A few singles every now and then. I would not care if the serial number matched so much. Glad you found the 8OT.

 

[Bob W]

Again, I apologize for the thread-jacking. Here's a link to way-back regarding those red bone-handled sets:

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=452663

 

[aggiebuilder2003]

Always wanted a set of those bone handled Old Timers. Have only seen the full set maybe twice on Ebay, and one of those was the set you got. A few singles every now and then. I would not care if the serial number matched so much. Glad you found the 8OT.

Thanks Hal! I am pretty pleased myself. I haven't gotten a chance to clean that 8OT up yet, but I think some of the dark marks on the blades will come off. The bone is much darker in person than in that picture and is a little darker than the other three I already have. Still a good match in any case.

Chuck

 

[Bob W]

Here is an Anniversary scam to be on the lookout for, an oldie but goodie:

Leftover pins and tins being matched to Chinese Taylor knives. Didn't fool me though; the tang stamp is the giveaway.

The time is right for a reminder about these, if you know what I mean. Complete with conveniently fuzzy photos.

 

[rprocter]

Bob, in reply to your first posting of the China 100th Ann. knives, Codger posted: "the real ones will show a thin dark line where the Delrin covers abutt the bolsters."
What makes this "thin dark line" ?
roland

 

[Dave Thinkstoomuch]

The time is right for a reminder about these, if you know what I mean. Complete with conveniently fuzzy photos.

I noticed these too. Maybe the worst example yet of the misleading blending of USA and Chinese products. When these start hitting the 2nd hand market folks better look closely at the pics!

 

[Bob W]

I don't know about the "thin dark line." A recent auction example has a 'blob' or dark color where the delrin meets the bolsters.

I've asked the fuzzy-photo seller a question about his knife. "Your photos are too fuzzy to read the tang stamp. Is that a original USA-made Old Timer knife, or a modern Chinese import?"

Here's a closed auction that's an obvious example. The tang stamp is different than the print advertised knife above, but it's an obvious Taylor-Schrade. The tang stamp on the SMKW ad says, "SCHRADE / HANDMADE" and the below knife simply reads, "SCHRADE." Either is a dead giveaway.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Schrade-100...204?pt=Collectible_Knives&hash=item43ac1211dc

 

[Bob W]

I've asked the fuzzy-photo seller a question about his knife. "Your photos are too fuzzy to read the tang stamp. Is that a original USA-made Old Timer knife, or a modern Chinese import?"

The current auction seller seems to be a decent guy, and responded with this answer: "THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS TO MY ATTENTION. IT IS MARKED CHINA ON THE TANG AND I WAS NOT AWARE THAT THEY MADE THESE ITEMS. I JUST SAW SCHRADE ON THE TANG. I WILL TRY TO ADD THIS INFO BEFORE THE SALE CLOSES. THANKS AGAIN."

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The seller ended the auction due to the incorrect listing. Thumbs-up for honesty!
Since the auction is now closed, here is the link:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360423276849&ssPageName=ADME:X:eRTM:US:1123

 

[Codger_64]

Bob, in reply to your first posting of the China 100th Ann. knives, Codger posted: "the real ones will show a thin dark line where the Delrin covers abutt the bolsters."
What makes this "thin dark line" ?
roland

The real-deal knives were made using a fairly new process in which the covers were molded to exact size, dyed, installed and glazed. When glazed, the dye is left on the ends of the covers and appears as a thin, dark line next to the bolsters. Several of the last pocketknife patterns will show this "tell", not just those anniversary knives. Prior process was to mold the covers slightly longer and then trim them to length after the dye bath before installing and glazing. IIRC, they also came to Schrade with the holes pre-punched so there would be dye in the holes as well. Of course that is hidden by the pins.

 

[Rusty1]

Here is a pic of the frames the handles came on, just like plastic model kits. All handles I have like this are one solid color, varying end shades must of happened during final polishing, Schrade USA anyway. This particular handle would be used on the 94OT trapper pattern as I'm sure you guys could tell.

Russell

 

[koldgold]

As most of you remember (or have learned since), Schrade closed it's doors forever in 2004. At that time, they were in the midst of rolling out a line of knives and bling commemorating their 100th anniversary, 1904-2004. Production glitches and financial pressure caused a lot of delays in production and not all of the photo sample anniversary Limited Editions saw the light of day. Some finished and incomplete examples dribbled out of the liquidation sale for a few years and one occasionally shows up on eBay and elsewhere. They made a variety of bling pieces too, some are common as pennies while other are scarce as frog hair. Here is a nice bling, the special 100th Anniversary header board from a floor display cabinet.

Hi from Australia,
I had been collecting Schrade knives long before they closed down in 2004.
However, my collecting went into top gear about 2005 when I found an unused / unpacked 100th Anniversary Display in the US.
The Display came with a box containing stock of six of each knife, to service the Display.
Six Green 35OTs also came in the same stock order, I have not seen these small green knives before.
The 8OT and 34OT knives all have the 100th Anniversary, let into the handles.

Learning the factory had closed down I collected everything I could find, made between 2000 and 2004 by Schrade.
Most Schrade collectors did not put some of these knives away and now some of them have become very hard to find.

I am disappointed that I have not worked out how to up-load pitchers onto this sight, as I have most of the items already posted.
I have two of the Blue Rope "ACB80" knives, one is marked "SS45" the other is unfinished like most.
I have all of the 2004 Duck knives – 12 of the "SH3CPNN" clam packs and an “SX4 Badger” that Schrade had made in China, with a 100th Anniversary blade etching that came in an Anniversary Tin. The Badger is a much better knife then the knife made in China for Taylor Knives, after 2004! Ken

 

[lrv]

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