Schrade Cut.Co.Calendar Knife is 14 K gold.

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The Calendar knife arrived today and it is in superb original condition to my unprofessional eye. The Alligator pouch obviously aged is genuine Alligator with back of brass clip marked C-P-C USA.I can see no evidence of tampering and everything works like a Rolls Royce. Calendar slide and walk/talk etc.The blades each match the handle access cut aways perfectly.
The knife is actually stamped 14K and is quite weighty for smallish knife so I took it to a Jeweller mate who knows nothing about knives but has large Jewellery business, who confirmed it is indeed definately 14K with a little over 20 grams gold weight. He offered US$1,500 on the spot to be able to melt it down and give me my Cut Co blades back!!He is a mate and knew he was offending me greatly but he was still serious.<I dont think I will take up the Sellers offer to refund my money! He does however request to be told any history I find out>
I am only interested in the provinance on this knife not its intrinsic gold value.
It will be interesting to find out if they worked with 14K gold back then. The Jeweller confirmed under microscope the engraving was indeed done in the old way by hand and not by machine and he bet the engraver kept the gold filings!
I will now have this knife expertly appraised as it just may add another chapter/knife to the Schrade story.Does anyone truely know everything about Schrade particularly the early years?Would they have tooled up originally just to produce several knives and why not one in 14K for someone 'Special.' Pouch is Inscribed M.D. Stone in gold leaf with matching monogram initials MDS. on knife. Can anyone add any history? It was reputed to come from Beverley Hills Estate Sale years ago. Hoo Roo.
P.S. <It may still be a fake Calendar knife but the gold is real>

PPS. The significance of CPC followed by USA on the brass clip of the Alligator Calendar knife pouch just arrived...CPC <Cut.Co. Perpetual Calendar?> is on the front of the Calendar knife in Sargents #2 edition. I wonder if the upmarket solid gold version did not have the rather crass CPC and 1937 across the front of the knife like the Sargent #2 version?
 
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''It will be interesting to find out if they worked with 14K gold back then.''

congrats larry303--i think you have a real gem---i have a gold colored gentleman's schrade cut co knife with a 14k stamping on the bail. i have no doubt schrade used gold in some of their patterns ---brady
 
They certainly did. Here is my Schrade magazine advertisement to the best of my recollection it is from the 1930s, (see pic of back rapsidy copyright 1924)

Please note it was done in Solid 14 Karrat Gold, I wonder if anyone could work out what $125 dollars would be at todays rate of inflation???

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Timstools said:
I wonder if anyone could work out what $125 dollars would be at todays rate of inflation???
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$125.00 in 1947 had about the same buying power as $1,227.21 does in 2008.

That knife ad was from circa 1947, just after Baer bought Schrade Cutlery and changed the name to Schrade Walden Cutlery. Esquire magazine? It was one of the three knives he sold which soon completely paid for his purchase of the cutlery from the Schrade family. The other two knives he identified only as having a retail of $10 and $5. That was a lot when you realize that the average pocketknife could be had for $2 or less, and many were listed at 49 cents.
 
Amazing to me. I've seen these in pictures before, and never realized the gold handles were solid. I guess I assumed they were plated. Anyone know the price of gold in 1947?
 
i believe in 1947 gold was at a fixed price of $35usd per ounce, if i remember that far back correctly. roland
 
with regards to the Calender knife being a fake, i.e. Schrade blades on a non Schrade frame, why would someone wanting to deceive use real gold for the handles ( ~ .75 of an ounce, not an insignificant amount) ? roland
 
rprocter said:
with regards to the Calender knife being a fake, i.e. Schrade blades on a non Schrade frame, why would someone wanting to deceive use real gold for the handles ( ~ .75 of an ounce, not an insignificant amount) ? roland
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Knife is a piece of shit. As is the buyer. And his stoolie, codger
 
Sorry for the interruption, gentlement. Please carry on. Let me know if there are any other trolls found wandering through here.
 
Malleus could use a little lesson in manners. Someone needs to tell his mama.
 
Bye Bye Malmouth.I stated above I have no interest in any intrinsic gold value only the provenance ,however the knife being 14K gives the knife initial credence to be genuine irrespective of how much gold content it contains so please dont get so excited.
I have had professional photos taken of all angles/dangles and they are currently safely in the hands of those who will truely know with over 50 years Schrade experience.
We will know soon enough,Larry V also has the photos and can put on his site in due course if he chooses and if folk are interested they can view it there where it should be..the home of Schrade photos/history/memorabilia.
I do not accept that if a person/expert doesnt personally have one or seen one then it cant possibly be genuine or exist...get real...that's not a valid test IMHO. As Mr. Levine would say "Read the knife"... and that is what the experts are currently doing.
Many technical photos have been professionally submitted on this Calendar knife and I await the 'real' experts opinions. They do indeed still exist and not at all self- proclaimed. I would like to thank Michael and Larry V and several other people who know who they are.. for their personal support/ guidance during this whole saga, and if it turns out to be genuine I believe another small chapter will have been written in the Schrade history. If its not genuine surely we will all still be winners, knowledge wise.
After all isn't this what this Schrade Forum is supposed to be about minus the petty mindless nastiness by some.........Hoo Roo
 
b_sanders, welcome to the Schrade Collectors Forum of Blade Forums. You are not the only new member who has joined specifically because of your interest in this particular knife. I understand your point in questioning the fact that the subject knife would likely not contain four ounces of 14k gold. Larry never claimed that it did. Read what he actually wrote, not what others have reported elsewhere. Misunderstandings often arise when we get our information third or fourth hand.

The knife is actually stamped 14K and is quite weighty for smallish knife so I took it to a Jeweller mate who knows nothing about knives but has large Jewellery business, who confirmed it is indeed definately 14K with a little over 20 grams gold weight. He offered US$1,500 on the spot to be able to melt it down and give me my Cut Co blades back!!He is a mate and knew he was offending me greatly but he was still serious.....I am only interested in the provinance on this knife not its intrinsic gold value.
It will be interesting to find out if they worked with 14K gold back then. The Jeweller confirmed under microscope the engraving was indeed done in the old way by hand and not by machine and he bet the engraver kept the gold filings!
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Now, Larry is Australian and sometimes, just as with trying to translate American conversational English into Spanish or the reverse, or when Americans speak to unfamiliar Brits, misunderstandings quite often occur. This is compounded when the American views the other's statements with preconcieved misunderstandings from a third party's prejudiced perspective, as in this case. Larry's "mate" (translates "good friend") intended to insult him by offering more for the knife than it's gold content for the privilige of destroying it. The hyperbole in that, while very apparent to me, obviously escaped others. Good friends often chide each other with good natured insults, as in this case.

Larry, in my own opinion to which I am entitled, is exercising due diligence in researching the mystery knife. Other than conjecture identified as such, neither he nor anyone else here has offered up anything other than conclusive facts about the mystery knife. The knife has Schrade Cut CO blades. The handle is solid 14K gold (well known fact that 24k gold is just too soft for many uses including jewelry knife handles). The knife did not come with conclusive documentation as to it's manufacture. No exemplars of this knife have been proven to exist, only similar knives in books and other collections. This does not preclude this mystery knife from future expert authentication.

In spite of some people's eagerness to attribute the blame of phony authentication to me, Larry did his own research and bought this knife without consulting me or anyone else that I am aware of. He rolled the dice on a paltry $300 purchase out of curiosity. He has shared his purchase with us here to get unbiased opinions on it's details. Opinions from non-experts are just that...opinions. The insults hurled since it was first shown have been unhelpful, though those people have undoubtedly been enjoying themselves in displaying their rudeness here and elsewhere.

Here is a fact for you. The purse/sheath is not plastic as has been claimed by others who have not closely examined the mystery knife and it's associated purse.

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There are many other details such as yet-unrevealed markings and construction features which suggest authentication, though not yet conclusively. And none of the differences between the mystery knife and known exemplars of similar knives conclusively exclude authentication. I, as a bystander without the expertise to make that call (I've never claimed otherwise) am willing to sit by and watch while a panel of experts (a literal "who's who" of knife history) do their best to either authenticate or debunk the mystery knife. If the knife is junk, it is junk. But if it proves to be authentic, though heretofore unknown to the knife collecting world, it will be a unique posession. And I intend to do so without lowering myself to the level of rude childishness displayed here and elsewhere by some.

Michael
 
i absolutely cannot understand why anyone would become upset or rude over all this.
simply put: a forum member spends $300 on a knife he knows may not be 100% Schrade. in part curiosity and enjoyment of risk makes him take a chance on this knife. knife has arrived and is being professionally appraised.
throughout all this, forum member has shared his experience with us.
this is exactly the purpose of this forum and i thank Larry for his posts on this interesting knife.
there is nothing upsetting here. i don't get it. roland
 
Michael and others; the picture posted above appears to be genuine Alligator, in my opinion. It has the charateristics one would expect from a piece of alligator that has aged naturally, drying out without preservatives applied, which it should have had over the years. The lighter colors reveal the fiber make up consistant with alligator and the tile pattern would lead me to believe that it came from a relatively small alligator hide, probably no more than 3 1/2 to 4 feet +-, and the piece probably came from low on the side just above the belly tiles.

This is my opinion based on just the photo, but I play with a lot of Alligator and it's my best estimate.

Paul
 
Thank you Paul. This would follow then that the sheath monogramed the same as the knife would give more than a passing chance that the knife it contains might also be of similar age.The indent in the pouch is identical to the size of the Calendar knife giving rise to the conclusion it has remained in that pouch for a considerable period IMHO.The rear brass stud on the pouch is stamped C-P-C USA. which could well stand for Cut.Co.Perpetual Calendar and is identical stamping to the front of the knife displayed in Sargents #2 being Herman Williams original Calendar knife. It's getting to the interesting stage.
May I have your email address Paul?Thanks again. Larry 303.
 
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Ineresting! Why not post some pictures over in the BRL forum? The are a stickler for details over there.
 
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