Schrade SCHF3N with gear or Gerber Bear Grylls Ultimate Survival Knife Pro?

marcinek said:
Unless you are in a survival situation. Because if it breaks...you die.
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People say that, but the broken parts are usually usable.
There's usually enough blade sticking out past the handle to still cut stuff, and a handle can be fashioned for the other piece of blade.

One of my friends had one of those $5 "survival knives" from the 1980's, you know, the ones that generally break the first time you use them?
So, of course, it broke. :D All 6 inches of blade snapped right off from the handle.
He dulled the bottom half of the blade by scraping it on cement, then fashioned a handle for it with old rags and shoelace.
This was over 20 years ago...
He still has it, and uses it at times. The blade is rusty, and the tip has busted off into a screwdriver tip along the way.
But it still works; he could still "survive" with it. ;)
 
stabman said:
People say that, but the broken parts are usually usable.
There's usually enough blade sticking out past the handle to still cut stuff, and a handle can be fashioned for the other piece of blade.

One of my friends had one of those $5 "survival knives" from the 1980's, you know, the ones that generally break the first time you use them?
So, of course, it broke. :D All 6 inches of blade snapped right off from the handle.
He dulled the bottom half of the blade by scraping it on cement, then fashioned a handle for it with old rags and shoelace.
This was over 20 years ago...
He still has it, and uses it at times. The blade is rusty, and the tip has busted off into a screwdriver tip along the way.
But it still works; he could still "survive" with it. ;)
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Maybe in the real world, but he wouldn't survive in cyber land where a "knife" isn't a knife unless it costs $400.00, even then that's low end.

I hate when an OP asks a question and instantly the answers are don't get that, get his. If he would have asked about some of the ones mentioned they would have said hey man you can get a schrade or gerber much cheaper and they still cut like a $400.00 knife does. My most used and abused knife ain't even a knife to most here, but I can baton the most twisted gnarled dry oak with it and the blade comes out straight as an arrow, the edge ain't chipped or rolled and I can even make fine shavings to strike a spark onto for a fire.

To answer the OP, the Schrade will be the better choice. Like strategy9 said though, you can get a schrade in 1095 for the same price and it will be a better steel. I like the 8cr13mov but even the best super steel will never out perform 1095 in the woods. I didn't learn that by reading via Google or on YouTube. Learned it through decades of actual use. Even the unknown high carbon spring steel in the Glock knife will destroy any super steel in the woods over a long period of time through actual use, and not comparing them on a steel chart you googled.

The Schrade would be my choice of the two mentioned if I were limited to them two. I will leave out what I would actually get or the OP should get.
 
stabman said:
People say that, but the broken parts are usually usable.
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See. There's one of them "Pro" survival tips.

The kind that come from people who carry an Extreme Radical Survival Ultimate Pro knife. :D

By the way, you know who endorses a great survival knife?

Myke Hawke.
 
Boris74 said:
Maybe in the real world, but he wouldn't survive in cyber land where a "knife" isn't a knife unless it costs $400.00, even then that's low end.
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Quite true...I'll have to start marketing an "Internet Survival Knife." :D

"Guaranteed to help you survive endless flame wars, tedious debates, and attacks by hordes of LOLcats." :thumbup:

marcinek said:
By the way, you know who endorses a great survival knife?

Myke Hawke.
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I don't even need a knife to survive when I can just use my... ;)
 
Boris74 said:
Maybe in the real world, but he wouldn't survive in cyber land where a "knife" isn't a knife unless it costs $400.00, even then that's low end.

I hate when an OP asks a question and instantly the answers are don't get that, get his. If he would have asked about some of the ones mentioned they would have said hey man you can get a schrade or gerber much cheaper and they still cut like a $400.00 knife does. My most used and abused knife ain't even a knife to most here, but I can baton the most twisted gnarled dry oak with it and the blade comes out straight as an arrow, the edge ain't chipped or rolled and I can even make fine shavings to strike a spark onto for a fire.

To answer the OP, the Schrade will be the better choice. Like strategy9 said though, you can get a schrade in 1095 for the same price and it will be a better steel. I like the 8cr13mov but even the best super steel will never out perform 1095 in the woods. I didn't learn that by reading via Google or on YouTube. Learned it through decades of actual use. Even the unknown high carbon spring steel in the Glock knife will destroy any super steel in the woods over a long period of time through actual use, and not comparing them on a steel chart you googled.

The Schrade would be my choice of the two mentioned if I were limited to them two. I will leave out what I would actually get or the OP should get.
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I get your point but the op did ask for alternatives as well ;)
 
Boris74 said:
Maybe in the real world, but he wouldn't survive in cyber land where a "knife" isn't a knife unless it costs $400.00, even then that's low end.

I hate when an OP asks a question and instantly the answers are don't get that, get his. If he would have asked about some of the ones mentioned they would have said hey man you can get a schrade or gerber much cheaper and they still cut like a $400.00 knife does.
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So...why dont you tell us who suggested a 400 dollar knife in this thread, eh? Or even a 100 dollar knife?
 
Just about anything made by Condor would fit in the right budget area.
Lots of selection, solidly built, and proven to just plain work.
 
Noswad0208 said:
This. Neither Gerber or Schrade are very respected companies here since they sold their quality for mass produced Bear Grylls type stuff. For around $60 you can buy a Becker BK15 made by Ka-Bar and get a great firesteel and a knife you can pass down to your children's children, and still have enough cash to buy a soda and a candy bar when you're done.
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Becker!

And,
Noswad0208 said:
Darn, none of my knives have survival, bushcraft, extreme, pro, ultimate, super duper, or anything similar in the name. :(
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Do you even Knife, bro? :rolleyes:
 
Between those two... if I had to... I guess I'd go with the schrade. But, luckily, I don't "have" to for my own purposes, so I'll throw out some other recommendations that I myself might look into if it were me.

Personally, I've never found the need for a hammer pommel, as the few times I tried that with I felt that a stick, or rock made a MUCH better hammer (larger surface area, and you're not swinging something sharp around). You may find that you agree with that (or not, to each his own :)). But as such, none of my recommendations have hammer pommels.

The BK15 has been on sale for a while for between ~$39-45 from many different sites. That should leave you enough to get almost any firesteel that you can think of (and one that will fit nicely in the front pocket of its included sheath). For that price, it really is an outstanding deal, and is a great quality blade. However, it may or may not be what you're looking for (fits the blade length and finger choil bits at least).

The Condor Rodan is a simple, no frills 5.25in knife made out of 1075 carbon steel. It can be regularly had for about ~$35, once again leaving you with enough extra money for the firesteel that you're wanting.

Svord kiwi general outdoors knife. Another no frills 5.25in knife. This one is made out of L6 carbon steel, and runs about ~$35-40. The blade will be good, but it may not come with the best grind (the blades edge may be a bit rough from the factory), but once you've sharpened it up it will be great for you. Svord does a great job on their L6 heat treat. Also, I have no experience/knowledge about this knifes sheath, other than I know it comes with one :).

If it were me, and that was my size and price range, I'd be going with one of these.

Good luck :).
 
marcinek said:
So...why dont you tell us who suggested a 400 dollar knife in this thread, eh? Or even a 100 dollar knife?
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I no one yet, but imma-bout-to.



Op, you NEED to spend at least $400 on a survival blade. If you get one in that price range, you don't need to worry about it not saying survival, or extreme, or super pro....




On a more serious note, I have owned and used some pretty expensive knives. 400 plus, no problem


But I have very inexpensive knives that get used and do just as well.

Condor, Becker, Mora, Opinel, etc, etc.
 
R.c.s said:
Before you make your mind up . have a look a the EKA NORDIC W12 . it has G10 scales scandi ground and comes with a fire steel and sharpener . and as a good kydex sheath . and comes with in you price range .
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Could you, please, tell me, where to find this knife for around 60$? Because all I can see are 100+ price tags.
 
Two excellent, affordable options have been posted: Ontario Air Force Survival Knife (SP2, SP25 and 499 are all variations on that theme) and Condor Rodan. Not exactly sexy choices, but inexpensive and built for the purpose of getting work done. I own all of the aforementioned Ontario models and like the SP25 best personally, although I've honestly never needed a fixed blade for hiking or camping; a folder has accomplished all of the mundane cutting tasks. I own a Rodan as well, and have carried but never used it.

A little digging online should be able to turn up a discontinued Schrade X-Timer XT2B, of which there was a USA version and more recently a Chinese (Taylor Brands) version. I have used the USA model in "SCHRADE+" stainless steel for every realistic outdoor task, including batoning and making fuzz sticks, and it is quite capable. The nylon sheath is pretty lame, but if you can find the knife for $30-40, it's worth the money.
 
I wonder how many in this thread have actually used the knives that the OP actually asked about...

I think the Bear Grylls Ultimate Pro is a nice knife. The sheath is solid, it comes with an easy to use sharpener and fire starter, its bright colors so you won't lose it, and it can be had for a very good price. I know its made in China of Chinese steel, but so far the trees and bushes haven't objected ;)
 
R.c.s said:
Before you make your mind up . have a look a the EKA NORDIC W12 . it has G10 scales scandi ground and comes with a fire steel and sharpener . and as a good kydex sheath . and comes with in you price range .
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I realize that you admit you have your own reality, but where do I buy a EKA NORDIC W12 for $60.00? I wanna' buy at that price. I can't find it under $110.00 + S&H.
 
Jaxter said:
Please help me decide, or tell me your options if you know of a better knife.
Thank you.
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Haven't used the Schrade knife, but the Bear Grylls "Pro" model is a decent knife. It took a solid amount of testing here.

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Another knife that's in the same style you might look at, is the new Buck "Selkirk".









 
From the reviews I've seen those two knives aren't bad. But you can find more... respected options for the price. Gerber is the butt of many jokes here, Bear Grylls makes it worse, and Schrade, about the same.
 
Bear Claw Chris Lappe said:
Another knife that's in the same style you might look at, is the new Buck "Selkirk".









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Haven't seen that one before, thats a good option. Any experience with that?

The Buck 119 is in the same price range (looks about ~$45 nowadays), still leaving you with some scratch for firestarters and sharpening gear.
 
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