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YES!!! i know that they are made in china now by taylor cutlery but i work at a sportsman's warehouse and we have some ironwood trappers and a muskrat and they are first production runs as stated on the blade just wondering if i should get em and keep them in good condition, be it that they are only $20 knives.
 
940TW trapper and 770TW muskrat, we also have a 340TW and 180TW first production stockman style's
 
They are all china which you said you are aware of . Usa schrade never made anything with ironwood. In my honest opnion I dont see them as ever being collectible or valuable but Im a usa schrade collector.and Im not just saying that to discourage the china schrades eitehr. check smoky mountain knife works for prices. but check ebay there giving them away, cheap. you can probablly get them cheaper than $20 . Just my 2 cents but save your cash...Joel
 
I do not think these are collectible as I posted many months ago the same question. However the quality of my schrade stockman in ironwood is very good. The quality of the knife is very good, snappy, and no blade play. And in all honesty I am very fond of this knife and the price is right. The only thing is that it is not made in the USA. But if you can get over that hump I think you will find this knife a joy to use.
 
Collect 'em if you like 'em but I doubt they'll ever be in great demand.
 
Gota agree with Blues if you just got to spend money IMHO, find a older Schrade then compare edge holding capability make your own call..
 
Yeah, I'd have to agree that these probably aren't going to have collectible cache for a long time if at all, probably not at all.
That said though, I have a couple, and for a daily light user, they aren't all that bad. Sharpen up easy and hold it well enough for alot of folks. So if you want to pick one up that you like the looks of and use it as a beater, by all means, give it a shot. Wouldn't count on it being worth much as a collectible is all.

Syn
 
ok cool thank you guys i was probably not going to get them anyways, i have a ka bar dozier lock back that i got for $10 at work on clearance(thats where i got alot of my knives). thank you guys.
 
A few years back collectors did not like knives made in Japan many have gone up in price and now very hard to find.The same will happen to the first production marks on the china knives.
 
Not sure I agree w/that but said my piece! Whole lot of sentiment in THE REAL SCHRADES but on a lighter note seems people buy alot of the RR stuff made in china. I guess maybe some day the wounds heal?
 
You now see Schrade knives in many stores and people are buying.Many of the larger knife stores and dealers are stocking.This make me think people are buying to collect?On the long run I would think this would make the older Schrades go up in value with newer people entering the world of knives.
 
Let's move this over for a better fit.
 
I'm afraid the Chinese Schrade branded knives don't have a very good reception from the rank and file of Schrade collectors. The ones we have examined and reviewed here were of poor quality of fit and finish compared to the real Schrades. Why did I say "real"? The Imperial Schrade Corporation was dissolved in bankruptcy in 2004. A lot of companies and individuals bought parts an pieces at the October 2004 auction of assets. No one bought the company. The names (trademarks, copyrights, patents) were bought by Taylor Brands, LLC., an importer/merchant. Thus knives made since the auction and stamped with the I.S.C. trademarks are no longer manufacturer's markings, they are "nostalgia merchant's marks". While they may be decent users for people who do not need good quality (or know the difference), they are not Schrade knives, just imported copies of Schrades (and some patterns Schrade never made) that the owner of the trademarks had stamped with the Schrade name.

Will they ever be collectable? I don't know anyone outside of China who collects Chinese knives at the present time. Perhaps they will become collectable in fifty years. However, I don't plan to be here then. But my real U.S.A. made Schrade knives will be. Maybe my grandchildren will sell your grandchildren a few.

Michael
 
Mr. Codger

I just wanted to take a moment and introduce myself. I am the Public Relations, and Advertising person for Smith and Wesson Knives, Schrade Knives and Taylor Brands LLC.

As a part of my duties I keep in touch with news publications, outdoor media, giving them information on the above named brands. I just came across your post through one of my ripping sources, and some of your statements are inaccurate as to the status of the company. I humbly submit to you the following information so that you more informed the next time you post.

Yes, the Imperial Schrade Company filed bankruptcy in 2004, and yes Stewart Taylor d.b.a Taylor Brands LLC purchased the entire Intellectual Properties of that company at the bankruptcy auction. Your statement that these are “nostalgia marks” is not true. Stewart Taylor and Taylor Brands LLC owns the Schrade Trademarks, and by law can use those trademarks in any fashion he desires.

Furthermore, Mr. Taylor has done USA manufacturing in Johnson City, Tennessee and at his Kingsport, Tennessee distribution center.

You refer to Mr. Taylor as a merchant, when in fact he is a true manufacturer by the definition in Websters Dictionary, because he owns facilities off shore. So, he is indeed a manufacturer.

How can you refer to the knives as copies when Mr. Taylor legitimately owns the trademarks, patents, copyrights, trade dress on all of the Schrade patterns.

I would like to invite you to come visit with me in our facility, to learn more about our organization. Mr. Taylor is a very nice person, and always takes time to meet with any visitors.


Joe Byrd


 
Gosh Guys, it appears as if this forum attracts the big dogs. Just this year we've been visited by Herman Williams, then Bruce Voyles, and now Joe Byrd. If you are interested in public opinion Joe, I think slapping imitation Schrade Walden USA stamps on knives that are not actually Schrade Walden knives doesn't impress me much, regardless of what is legal. Just my 2 cents worth.
 
This is a trite subject all round, forum members and others alike have viewed their opinions from 2004 onwards regarding the operations of TBLLC, those views albeit to many to link here will not change for the better.

Rusty1
 
Ok fellas so I may have got the beast to raise his head again!, sorry, WTH is a "ripping source" or more approiatley "WHO" ? Hang on boys it might get western! Oh and BTW got another "REAL" Schrade to get pics of and show, maybe.
 
6.0stroker said:
Ok fellas so I may have got the beast to raise his head again!, sorry, WTH is a "ripping source" or more approiatley "WHO" ? Hang on boys it might get western! Oh and BTW got another "REAL" Schrade to get pics of and show, maybe.
Click to expand...

To answer your question about a "ripping source". I have software that searches the internet for any information that appears about the company or the owners. This is one of the tools that PR professionals across the country are using.

Hope I didn't get a "range war" started. I just wanted to stop mis-information from happening.

Thanks


Joe
 
I think you need to understand that nearly all of us that have Schrade knifes and collections have been stuck with the junk Taylor is selling under the name of Schrade.We feel sorry for the newcomers who buy this stuff thinking there getting a Schrade.By the way if you read the header at the top of this forum you will see it says for Schrades made in the USA.Arnold
 
all the bla-bla about taylor schrades is falling into deaf ears with the regular guys and listeners (me) of the schrade collectors forum. we have a unexplainable loyalty to the pre-04 , original , authentic, schrade product. anything built outside that 100 year span to us is not why we exsist. we hold dear to our hearts the true schrade. its our choice. we highly enjoy the subject and find it satisfying there are others like us. its like george clooney said in the movie---IM A DAPPER DAN MAN---anything else aint dear to our heart. once when i was considering buying a knife on thebay, i asked the seller if it was a original, schrade-walden.......he responded by saying it was assembled of genuine schrade parts and that the factory(that did exsist) recognized his work as a authentic schrade product----i nearly fell over when i realized i was talking to the original "herman" that was refered to in one of my collecter books----the point is, only a die hard, loyal ,true schradaholic would feel as honored as i was, talking to Mr. williams. this is who we are! brady
 
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