Scouts

2dogs, and everyone else here, Thanks for this. I miss the true Scouting, and the PC crap will falter, when sheeple need the skills of those trained in the fashions we're speaking of here. Reading this thread again made my morning!
 
Nice job teaching the kids the basics!!

Scouting has become a legal fear organization and thus I do not want to be apart of it anymore.

Hell, we hunted and shot many types of rifles and shotguns. WE trapped and spent days in the middle of nowhere learning bushcraft.

A skill lost in todays movement it seems.

Dont get me started on modern day scouting, its a real shame.:(

As a SAR professional I get asked to scouting groups to instruct and refuse these days as I cant stand the kids anymore. They have zero attention span and unless they are plugged in they have no reason to live it seems. Behavior is horrible with no leadership, it has sunk to free babysitting it seems.

Baden Powell is turning in his grave I am sure.

Nice to see some bright lights though.

Skam
 
Skammer we have an "absolutely no electronics" rule in our troop. That has had a great influence in the way the boys act. You can see it at camp when most of the scouts have an ipod going. It may just be me but I think ipod wearers are more rude than most people. It seems they just want to point at something they want and then walk away without saying thank you.

Anyone involved in Scouts needs to have a personal insurance policy. It doesn't cost much and can save you alot of grief. Most infighting can be cured by seeing that anyone involved in Scouting is trained in the area they are involved in. Especially the Troop Committee members!

Thanks to everyone else involved in Boy Scouts or Girl Scouts!
 
There seems to be differences in locals the way scouting is still performed.

Locally here the powers to be are so afraid of liability they wont let the kids do anything outside of nature walks pretty much.

I call it the mom influence and seemed to start around the time females were allowed to join, here at least. DOnt get me started. Grrr. Boys are no longer allowed to be boys.

Skam
 
2dogs said:
I'm the Scoutmaster of Troop 674 here in Santa Cruz. We have been charted over 80 years by our local Elks Lodge. I'm told we are the oldest charted troop west of the Mississippi River. I'm not sure, yet.

We live in the most politically correct place you can imagine. Most people here hate scouting. They see it as the Hitler Youth reincarnated because we salute the flag, learn US history and don't support the gay life style. But mainly beecause we profess a believe in a higher authority than man. We have a belief in God. It is tough to hold scout events locally, people complain whenever scouts step on public land. None the less our troop is growing.

Our troop trys to do at least one outing a month. The boys love the outdoors by nature. We instruct and we nuture what is already there. I have found that the most important part of a campout is the last few minutes of the night when the fire burns low, the boys are tired and their minds are open. It is here when we try to instill the values of the outdoors. Self suficientcy, responseablity, honor, love of life, duty to your God, duty to others. It seems to me that the boys are a little bit different the next day. Scouting is a game with a purpose. The purpose is to help boys grow into the leaders of tomorrow. They will always love the outdoors and the quiet places, they will always want to serve others and to help those in need, and they will want to help build boys into men. All with nothing in return but the feelings they will take with them.
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2 DOGS you said it all man, thanks for continuing to serve as a scoutmaster. Scouting is the essence of the positive America that I love, and part of why I chose to serve in the US Navy. I made it to eagle in '98, out to philmont a few years before that, and all and all probably spent 50+ nights a year in the outdoors because of scouts in my teenage years.

All the hate directed toward the BSA is just liberals who never fit into anything when they were teens, so now they try to block other people's sons from growing up to be exceptional, moral young men - the kind this country so desperately needs. Everyone is so busy trying to destroy things that are patriotic and American, because they see themselves as transnational citizens "of the globe" so that anything patriotic is wrong and backwards. I refuse to let these assholes be the future of America; the scouts (and myself) will teach my son to be "physically strong, mentally awake, and morally straight." They will not be happy until we are all self loathing disasters like they are - they type of people who become refugees in disasters like Katrina, because they are too "smart" and scoff at paying $100 for a disaster preparedness kit. And they try to repress my freedom to protect my family by confiscating my firearms during a disaster fraught with looting and lawlessness. The scouts taught me to "be prepared." I still live that motto.

My son is too young for scouts yet, but I guarantee he will be in scouts and I will be a scoutmaster, to "pass on what I have learned."
 
I am still in scouts, but there is one man I will never forget about that has taught me a lot of woodcraft, wheather he was trying to or not. :-) Ranger Ron at MVSR Ohio. I have learned more about woodcraft than I thought was possible from scouts, and I plan to learn more. my troop is curently on the brink of destruction though, the scout master quit right after their kid got eagle (You still owe me ten bucks on that bet Eric) and we have an acting scout master now, and he doesnt want the position. If any of yall live around caldwell, look up troop #508, we could use you as a leader.
Later.
 
I am still involved in Scouting. My youngest son is just finishing up his Eagle project.

A good way of staying involved in Scouting is to become a Merit Badge counselor. This way you can pass on skills to younger boys.

I have noticed that Scouting seems to be getting quite a few troubled boys. Quite a few from single parent families and quite a few on pyschotropic drugs.

-Yooperman
 
Hey Guys...

I won't go into the politics of girls being in Scouts, however the young ladies that are in our Scouting program are an asset to the group, and I'm happy to accommodate them...

My daughter is in Beavers.. One of the reasons is that I'm not allowed to be a leader in girl guides..

Not that I want to be, but I don't have the option, so then rather go through all that BS,, she takes beavers with her twin brother..Problem solved...

ttyle

Eric
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im a boyscout im 15 in april and im 1st class but i was suspened from 4 meetings for this kid throwing a bottle at me and me then beating him down i left bruises of my knuckles on his face
 
In Weeblos (sp?) our group got split in two and I ended up in the "how to draw" troop rather than the hiking and camping troop. A shame. My father wasn't very outdoorsey. I picked up hunting and camping from friends and taught my brother. I, a city boy, married a So Alabama farm girl and I love it down there. Give me wide open spaces. I have a daughter and she loves the outdoors. Still a little young for shooting squirrels but I have hope.

It makes me feel good to see people like Normark who take the time to be with kids and teach them and give them experiences they'll never forget.

I just ordered 40 bales of pinestraw from a local troop to help fund a trip to Finland.

tjg
 
Normark said:
Hey Guys...

I won't go into the politics of girls being in Scouts,
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I will.

The feminization of the modern male is a very political issue that is not talked about much.

I joined scouts to get away from female influence and embrace malehood taught by real men.

Something lost on todays metrosexual youth.

Those who have seen it know what I am talking about and no this is not anti gay but rather pro testoserone.

Skam
 
Very cool Normark. It was just army cadets for me. Ontario Regiment out of Oshawa Ontario. I remember putting hoochies together, canoeing Lake Ontario and having a sunfish jump in the canoe! Eating RP4s. We all brought the little folding can openers back and hung them around our necks, lol. I did the 6 week camp at Ipperwash also and my unit, Echo Company won best unit out of the entire base. I came back with a ton of large sew on patches, crests etc. I never caught on how to use a map and compass well though, as the older guys took over on those outdoor schemes. That sucks a bit.
 
interesting story that if forgot to tell in my earlier post... My troop was awesome, I learned fire-making, tracking, hunting orienteering and all other manner of survival skills from a couple of the the dads who were big hunters.

after I made eagle, i was made a junior assistant scoutmaster, and then left the troop for college, The troop got over-run by a new left-friendly scoutmaster, and a bunch of sheeple parents, about 2 years after I left (all the guys I grew up with were about the same age as me, and when they left so did thier woods/outdoors/hunting-oriented dads.) The new scout master made a rule banning all fixed blades and even lockback knives over 3". My little brother was kicked out of the troop for bringing a fixed blade ka-bar knife on a campout. He was life-rank at that time. Fortunately, another troop let him join and finish his eagle there.

It is amazing how an organization like a scout troop can change so drastically in its orientation in a few short years...really sad when you think about it.

Sometimes you have to go against the grain in this society to promote any skills that teach young men self sufficiency, like our grandfathers needed to survive. Kids today are obsessed with technology, ipods, cell-phones etc...I'll admit that technology isn't all bad and some of it is great (I use gps for maritime navigation on a daily basis, but with a quick refresher, and rereading duttons I can do it old school celestial nav.) but we can't always rely on it, this will be one of the biggest challenges for us parents in the coming decades, I plan on teaching my son that there is no substitute for hard-learned skills.....end of rant!
 
I was in scouts To first class, at age 15 0r so I left scouts in order to persue Girls. I regret this to this day.

My troop was okay, we did learn some skills such as fire starting and orienteering. but most woodcraft skills were learned, at summercamp and not by our scout masters. There was no hunting skills except those taught from one scout to another or by a few of those "Cool parents" who came along on our trips.

Some kids are not raised well enough to appreciate the opportunities of scouts, I remember we got a leader who tried to change our scout troop to better accomodate what scouts wanted, for example we had an athletics patrol and an adventure patrol, and so on. unfortunateley except for a few of us who really appreciated this, most of the kids took advantage of this leader to the point where he quit.

My troop overall went very P.C. we had a rule of no "one handed knives" fixed blade butterfly auto, etc (there were no tactical folders at this time)
But we did at least go outdoors and learn to take care of ouselves. We learned to cook, to set up a camp, to clean up after ouselves and to leave a place better than we found it.


I had a roomate who read my scout manual and called it all "brain washing" That couldn't be farther from the truth, scouts taught me to be an independant thinker and a problem solver, anyone who cant see that has obviusly not been in a good troop.
 
Hey Guys..

I hear ya big time...

I call it the Pussification of our youth....
Where boys aren't allowed to be boys..

We had a Wench mother in our scout troop that was just a Frigging pain in the ass.. The more she yapped about the knives at Scout meeting, The Bigger they got..
I cut something with a knife,,I was working on and she said "What if a child cuts himself on it? "

What I told her
"Well first off all this is Scouts, if they don't know enough not to touch something that isn't theirs, then they really Need to cut themselves,, and they deserve it !"

She didn't like my answer..

Another Mom said that was visiting my shop with her husband.

"Aren't you afraid that your kids are going to cut themselves ? "

I told her

" My kids know enough not to touch my knives, if they do and they get cut,, well they will know for next time not to do it again. Do you lock up your kitchen knives at home ? Aren't you afraid your kids are going to get into them and cut themselves ? "

She didn't have an answer to that..

About a month ago I had a freshly sharpened Ontario Machette put away under my desk.. Nice and safe... My youngest son (6) cut his finger on it..

My response was,, "Too Bad,, Why did you even touch it ? Heres a bandaid , now go and play". He knows perfectly well ,and 99.999% of the time he Never touches anything..
I look at it as good re-enforcement,, he'll know better next time...

Back to the Pussification..

When I joined our Cub troop a few years ago , we were already at the camp,, setting up the cookhouse and waiting for parents...

I go into the bunkhouse and theres 3 moms making their kids beds..
WTF is this..???

Theres no making beds, washing your kids dishes and all that BS you do at home..
If you want to Coddle your kid,, do it at home,, and leave his hockey helmet at home as well.. Yes,, he may bump his head,, if he gets cut,, we have a very good first aid kit, and a RN on staff..
If your child needs medical attention, we will take him to the hospital and will Notify you and meet you there...

If you send your child to camp with Three suitcases of Shit,, he/she will carry it themselves.


New rule....

From now on,, parents drop their kids off say your Goodbyes and we'll see you at 11am Sunday SHARP!

Theres will be none of that Shit...

When they get to my camp they are Mine til you pick them up.. If you want to stay at the camp,, feel free,, but you play by my rules....You eat what we eat (That may include a variety of insects, and other unpleasant new foods) and you sleep where we sleep...


If you can get your camper down the trail, please feel free to bring it.

If your child happens to be female, she will be treated like any other Scout , please leave the Tiara at home, there are no princesses here...

I don't yell at kids at my camp, however if they are Screwing around,, they will be told off..

When we are cleaning up,, if you are standing around for more then 30 seconds, something will be found for you to do..
This usually entails dragging the heavy shit to the trailer,, or scrubbing the nasty pots and pans from Breakfast...

At one camp a scout was doing his dishes at Breakfast,, and squeezed about a helf an inch of dish soap into his cup and gave it a quick rinse, and put it in his mess bag.. Another leader was just about to tell him, and I stopped him in mid stride...

I Waited all morning with pure excitment for lunch...

When I told the kids to go get their mess kits,, I grabbed the other leader, and we watch the scout get his mess kit.. Load up a plate of food and a big glass of Juice, and sat down...

We waited like watching a mousetrap with freshly baited Cheese...

The Scout took a big couple of gulps and then noticed the Soap in the bottom of the cup...I had to walk away..

After lunch I went up to him and told him,, it may be a good idea to wash his dishes a little better the next go round.. He Agreed Completely... LMAO...

Good Times,, Good times..

ttyle

Eric
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I am old enough to have been a Scout in the time when two out of every three boys spent some time in Scouting. Our Troop had 120 members and a waiting list. Troop 43 was a Scout Troop. That is, the Scouts planned the program and led the program. Adults were coaches, resources, and told us to stop when we were about to march off the edge of cliffs. We fought brush fires, helped search for the lost/missing, and directed traffic at parades. The John Birch Society picketed us regularly because Scouting was integrated and had a World Brotherhood Merit Badge. I was with this Troop for just short of twelve years. Eagle/Exploring Silver Award/Vigil - and other baubles.

In 1982, I became a Scoutmaster because I wanted the neighborhood Troop to be there for my son, who was a Cub. Been in since. After five years, that Troop combined with another local Troop due to lack of support from the parents and hostility from the sponsor. I have been an SA in the combined Troop for twenty years.

A Troop is as good as the adults who work with it. They train the leaders (Scouts) - or do not. They allow the leaders to lead - or do not. (They get silly about knives or do not.)

The Scouting program IS more sensitive to legal risks. That sensitivity is the largely result of factors beyond the control of Scouting. (Ask the makers of football helmets and ask doctors how things have changed.) Having held every District-level position at one time or another, and some regional positions, I know about the statistics regarding lawsuits.

But a Scout from the 1950's would recognize our Troop. We tent camp year-'round here in northern Ohio, including last weekend with wind chills at -20F. (Everyone had a great time -- the Scouts; the leaders; heck, even the Scoutmaster and other adults. Exactly one Scout in our Troop needed to be loaned some gear, and that was because his dad insited on his wearing a new down parka -- that the kid promptly sweated up.)

We backpack in wilderness areas beyond the reach of cell phones. The kids have seen beaver, porkies, eagles, bears, wolves and moose - in the wild. They have seen the sun come over the edge of the world while sitting on peaks in the Rockies, Sierra Nevada, and Whites. We have a Scout Troop.

In fact, there has been no material change in Scoutings objectives or program, in the U.S. at least, since I first joined up. What has changed is a tremendous shortage of adult help. Scoutmasters used to be hand-picked. (My Scoutmasters when I was a Scout were: 1) a man who was in charge of Scouting for military dependents in Europe for four years; and 2) a Master Gunnery Sgt., U.S.M.C., Maintenance Chief, El Toro, M.C.A.F. [literally a shoe box full of medals]) Now? Some fairly limited guys are Scoutmasters. In our Council, they are poorly trained and poorly supported by the Commissioners who are supposed to support, encourage, and monitor adult performance. Why? Adults are in such short supply that weak peformers, even nonperformers, hold training and Commissioner positions. Our Council is hardly atypical.

Our Troop has very deep and very good adult help. One of our two feeder Cub Packs, however, went under because no adult would agree to be Cubmaster or Committee Chairperson. (We will do our best to restart it next Fall.)

Our Scouts are well-behaved. When they joined, that is what they saw. When the new Scouts join this Spring, that is what they will see.

If your only choice is a poor Troop, try starting a real Scout Troop.

If you have choices, look around. A properly-run Scout Troop is a wonderful thing for the boys.
 
hell yes normark thats the way i would prefer to go camping but alas due to the pussification factor i usally have to "camp " with all these other people. people who dont know what a decent knife axe or other sharp object is
they think stainless china is a sign of a good tool......
that andhow they think they need the biggest backpack they can get to stay warm in a 50 degree night hell half of them dont know how to light a fire or sharpen a knife or any outdoor skills i damn near have to explain how to set up camp or how to make poached eggs and they cant even cook on a kitchen stove! well i should stop ranting but i wont untill i feel vented enough hell this kid who has LLbean and all sorts of other name brand stuff doesnt even know how to use most of it and the time a person almost lost 3 of thier toes to my hatchet because he decided to go under my pillo and grab it and start swinging like a retard or the person who got his mother to yell at me like it was gonna intimidate me after i made this kid go gather fire wood because he was just gonna sit around the fire all day and not do anything around camp and i made him carry several arm loads of wood to the fire area then he could sit down but he is luck i didnt assign him dish duty for luch and dinner we were gonna cook on cast iron that weekend and i didnt wanna have to re season this 20 year old cast iron that he wouldve soaked in soapy water
 
thomas what scout summer camp you go to if any?

my troop goes to one in the buckeye council with teh pipestone powers.
 
This really Makes me want to get involved as A scout leader If for no other reason to make sure That troops in my area are still around in years to come. My plate is pretty full. Full time student work and volunteer EMS but i will have to look into it in the coming months as things open up for me.
 
ajcz said:
thomas what scout summer camp you go to if any?

my troop goes to one in the buckeye council with teh pipestone powers.
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Hmmm.
wegotooneoranotherinalternateyearsandrunourowninalternateyearsiwounld'tgothroughpipestoneononabettheyarejustpowermadfolksonapowertrip.

We go to one camp or another in alternate years and run our own in alternate years. I wouldn't go through Pipestone [again] on a bet. They are just power mad folks on a power trip.



Rant on -- full blast:

Let me expand. Pipe Stone is only faintly connected to Scouting's values of courtesy, helpfullness, friendliness, or kindness. That's fully one-third of the Law. Yet Pipe Stone dominates an entire Council.

As an adult, when I heard a child scream out in pain and fear, I looked in the direction from which the screams were coming. Then another, larger child (of some age or another) grabbed me by the neck and snapped my head forward (DIScourtesy and UNkind) to "correct" me for daring to respond (kindness) to a cry of fear. This was to teach me "self control." The self control I exhibited by not responding appropriately to an act of criminal battery (I consented neither expressly nor implicitly [becasue I was not told I would be offensively touched].) should have passed me all the way to highest rank. That is, I did not slap the punk silly or file criminal charges. What any of this Pipe Stone has to do with Scouting escapes me. It is its own "thing." By the by, try a Google on "Pipestone" plus "Scouts" or "Scouting" and see what you get. Fascist mystery clubs have a strange attraction to the young. Maybe it's getting to rough-up folks you wouldn't have the nerve to even look at in the daylight.

And it has about killed off the official Indian-theme honor program for Scouts - OA. I saw the OA callout at 7R. Pitiful.

Email me, and I'll tell you what I really think of Pipestone.

Rant off.

Oh, by the way, I am a volunteer in your Council (as well as two others) and probably know your Scoutmaster.
 
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