Scrapper 6 vs. CS SRK vs. Dumpster Mutt

They aren't available because more people want to buy them than they can produce.

I want to trade a few of them. If you are interested perhaps we can work out a deal.

Click on the Operation Mayhem link below.

Mods, if this is inapropriate, edit away, I'm just trying to give him a good deal on an M6.
 
I use both the Dumpster mutt and the cold steel SRK. Scrapyard's resipreneC handles are way better in both durability and comfort than anything kraton from cold steel. As far as the steel goes, I would say carbonV has a slight adventage at edge holding which may be due to a thinner edge geometry of the SRK. When it comes to toughness, Dumpster mutt is hands down tougher than SRK with a better quality control and warranty. I like both knives, if I had to keep just one it would be dumpster mutt.
 
What is the rust resistance of sr-77? 1095 is so so from what i understand, INFI is fairly good, and what about the steel used in swamp rate knives?

There are a few bark river knives with blades as wide as .200" and Fallkniven knives come pretty close to being that thick too. Plus fallkniven uses VG-10

I just checked out ranger knives. At 1/4 inch thick you cant go wrong. 5160 doesnt seem like it will hold an edge real well but it is apparently a very very tough steel.
http://www.rangerknives.com/Knives/index.html
 
They aren't available because more people want to buy them than they can produce.

I want to trade a few of them. If you are interested perhaps we can work out a deal.

Click on the Operation Mayhem link below.

Mods, if this is inapropriate, edit away, I'm just trying to give him a good deal on an M6.

Yea hey drop me a line at Flameinfame@gmail.com and we can work something out.
 
SR-77 (which is just S7 with the super Wauseon heat treatment) isn't anything near a stainless, but should have better stain resistance, by far, than 1095. 1095 (and the rest of the 10XX family) has really absolutely no stain resistance--it's a good blade material but it contains no chromium, which is the principle alloying element used to give steel corrosion resistance. In fact, the 10XX family is about as basic as blade steels get.

Swamp Rat's SR-101 (52100 ball bearing steel with, again, Wauseon's own special take on heat treatment) is again not a stainless by any stretch, but will also outstrip 1095 in this category, again as it contains some chromium.

5160 is a tough steel, and can hold an edge very well indeed if heat treated properly. It has more than enough carbon to be hardened up to the high 50s HRC. Again, everything is a tradeoff---keep in mind that while many steels will have an abrasion-resistance advantage over 5160, they gain that at the expense of other traits (i.e. ductility, edge strength, etc.), and all of them play into edge holding in different ways. If you're going to be cutting miles of cardboard or lots of coarse rope, abrasion resistance is key--but this type of cutting is not representative of what most use their knives for, and especially not big, thick knives like the ones being discussed here.

INFI is, in my experience, the best rust-resister of any of the steels mentioned here, with the exception of VG-10.

If you haven't, you really need to check out the Steel FAQ by Joe Talmadge here on BF, as an excellent overview of many popular blade steels.
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=368828&highlight=12C27

You'll notice that almost nowhere in there does he compare steels with words like "better" or "best". Again, this is because absolutely every single one of them is making tradeoffs in its composition to favor some traits over others--if there were a single best, everybody would use it and nothing else.

To put it another way---If you made two identical blades, one out of 1084, the other out of S30V, both at HRC 60; and then set up a whole bunch of different cutting tasks (push cutting, slicing, impact cutting) in different environments (temperature variations, wet/dry climates) through a variety of cutting mediums (meat, rope, wood, bone), you would get vastly different results in terms of edge holding and general performance, and neither blade would be on top the whole time. They'd both have strengths and weaknesses, and which was "better" would depend on the intended application.


What is the rust resistance of sr-77? 1095 is so so from what i understand, INFI is fairly good, and what about the steel used in swamp rate knives?

There are a few bark river knives with blades as wide as .200" and Fallkniven knives come pretty close to being that thick too. Plus fallkniven uses VG-10

I just checked out ranger knives. At 1/4 inch thick you cant go wrong. 5160 doesnt seem like it will hold an edge real well but it is apparently a very very tough steel.
http://www.rangerknives.com/Knives/index.html
 
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To put it another way---If you made two identical blades, one out of 1084, the other out of S30V, both at HRC 60; and then set up a whole bunch of different cutting tasks (push cutting, slicing, impact cutting) in different environments (temperature variations, wet/dry climates) through a variety of cutting mediums (meat, rope, wood, bone), you would get vastly different results in terms of edge holding and general performance, and neither blade would be on top the whole time. They'd both have strengths and weaknesses, and which was "better" would depend on the intended application.

Excellent! Every time I hear folks asking "Which steel is better?" or saying "Oh this one holds an edge much better, I would get that one..." I think of the same theory you just wrote.
 
How do you think INFI and sr-77 and sr-101 compare to 5160 in the role of heavy duty chopper/everything camp knife?
 
I'd rate SR-77 as the toughest (in terms of not chipping or cracking under extreme impacts), followed by 5160 and INFI tied for second, and then SR-101 bringing up the rear---although not by much.

As far as edge holding in most types of cutting other than hard chopping, SR-101 and INFI out front, followed by 5160 and then SR-77.

This is being extremely general, of course, as the hardnesses and heat treats are known for three of these (all the ones from the Wauseon group) and not for the other. I'm rating 5160 from my experiences with knives by Bill Siegle, Ray Laconico and some ABS competition cutters.

You'll get along fine with any of them out in the boonies.
 
Thanks guys. Im still waiting on Scrapyard.com to have the knives for sale or someone to give me a good deal. Does anyone have an idea on when scrap yard will have some available?
 
You might want to check out fallkniven they have some good heavy duty blades.
The A1 is .25" thick and the NL1 is .28" thick and made of laminated vg-10! I dont know how vg-10 stands up to chopping though... Im sure the outside layers of softer steel help. They also offer some knives in G3, though ive heard its good steel I havent heard much else about it. May be better than even the Busse family.

http://fallkniven.com/nothern/tor.htm
 
Hardcore Ranger knife fans say that you can chop all day and still have a razor edge on the blade. All I know is that my RD-4 has battoned dozens of hard woods and has held it's edge quite well. Others have have chopped nails wiht larger RD's and had only dulling occur. But then again I doubt you'd chop nails. Get yourself a Ranger and never look back. They are worth twice their price in my opinion.
 
Ok, got a site for the Ranger Knives?

NVM, I found it. How does a Ranger knife with the 5160 steel compare to a Scrap Yard Knife with the SR-77 steel? Which knife is better overall? (I know a veuge question but you know what i mean)
 
Ok, got a site for the Ranger Knives?

NVM, I found it. How does a Ranger knife with the 5160 steel compare to a Scrap Yard Knife with the SR-77 steel? Which knife is better overall? (I know a veuge question but you know what i mean)

That's like asking Jack Daniels or Jim Bean ? They will both get you sloshed !!!
You can't really go wrong with Scrapyard or Ranger knives, just depends on little details like which handle material or blade shape you prefer !!!
Both will last a lifetime and get er done !!!!:thumbup:
 
LOL, well in the Bean and Daniels case I would say BOTH!! I think ill check out the ranger knives. Thanks
 
I think the ranger knives have me convinced. Great price, 1/4 inch thick, good steel. Im sold, now jsut gotta decide which size....
 
I think the ranger knives have me convinced. Great price, 1/4 inch thick, good steel. Im sold, now jsut gotta decide which size....


:thumbup: Great choice!
I would reccomend an RD-7. It's good at chopping and if you order one with a full flat grind (20 dollars extra) it will make a great camp knife. Also I would reccomend getting a 3/16 Rd-4 which also makes a great beater. I'm planning on getting an RD-7 this summer. I look forward to hearing what you plan on
 
Pretty sure the Rangers are all full flat grind now as far as regular production models go. Have been for a while. That doesn't cost extra.
 
Justin at Ranger will do just about any option you want, the man is a pleasure to do business with, email him, talk to him you will not regret it. I have the RD7 and love it. My mutt is the one I go to most often, my mini tank! and my S6 seems like it can do everything only bigger!
Everyone gave some good tips and explainations, t1mpani really nailed it!
 
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