Sebenza 21 vs umnumzaan pivot

SuzukiGS750EZ said:
Yeah, i saw a disassembly video of the sebenza and it looks extremely simple. I like the open pillar design and the very simple lock. I dread having to clean out a lock or pivot on the knives i own, but this knife looks like a real user. Does it come with the grease or do you order it with it? What's the turn around time if i were to order tomorrow morning, when do you think i'd see the knife on my doorstep?
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well, i use wilson combat grease i bought at a local gun store.

you can order the crk grease from a few places in addition to the knife.

i cant really say how long it would take, there are a few variables, the first of which is tomorrow is sunday.

however, i know that new graham, for example, is very fast. if you ordered tomorrow you should expect it before friday, probably thursday.


another thing, all the screws are the same on the sebenza. it doesn't matter which you put where when reassembled.
 
If rust is a issue make sure when you clean your sebenza, take a cloth and wipe gun oil on the blade. this will keep it from rusting. I would recommend militec. the chris reeve grease works good for the action of the knife. it will save the parts from waring down.
 
Yeah, if i'm going to pay that much for a knife, i'll take good care of it lol. I'll order the knife, grease, a tuf cloth and a new sharpmaker. I've dropped both a white and gray rod and they snapped into a few pieces... so i'm down to one of each and they're going on 6 years old now lol.
 
SuzukiGS750EZ said:
Yeah, if i'm going to pay that much for a knife, i'll take good care of it lol. I'll order the knife, grease, a tuf cloth and a new sharpmaker. I've dropped both a white and gray rod and they snapped into a few pieces... so i'm down to one of each and they're going on 6 years old now lol.
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Before you spend a lot of money on a sharp-maker I would get a leather strop with green chromium oxide bar. this will work better than the sharp maker because the knife will come with a convex edge. all you need is to use the strop to maintain the edge.
 
Woah, CRK's come with convexed edges? In the faq they recommended the sharpmaker. I can sharpen freehand, but i'm always on the go so i just whip out the sharpmaker on my desk and sharpen up quick. People around me who are less sophisticated with knives i've taught how to use the sharpmaker, so either way i'll be getting one when i get all this money together, but i didn't know they were convexed.
 
cofade2black said:
Before you spend a lot of money on a sharp-maker I would get a leather strop with green chromium oxide bar. this will work better than the sharp maker because the knife will come with a convex edge. all you need is to use the strop to maintain the edge.
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Where is a good place to buy a strop with a green oxide bar. Never had a lot of luck using a sharpmaker on my Sebenza but it works great with my cheaper knifes.
 
I normaly make my own strops. I go to the leather shop and buy a leather belt with no die on it (just plain leather) I glue it on a board. then to apply the chromium oxide I heat the leather to take the compound good. only a little compound is needed for stropping. when chris reeve sharpens knives he uses a belt sander and polishes with a hard felt wheel. it is a slight convex but when stropping use only the weight of the knife, this will keep the slight convex. you can buy the chromium oxide anywhere on the web. Don't get the bar at a hardware store for it is not the same thing. here is a picture of my strop and bar with sebenza cutting paper
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the problem with the sharp maker is it changes the angle and creates a lot of burr. if you look at my blade it takes nothing off and leave the knife sharper than when you got it.
 
Hmmmmm, i'm not of not crazy about convex edges. I don't know how to sharpen them and i like stones and the sharpmaker better! If i buy a 400$ knife, i want to know that i can sharpen it lol, without sending it in.
 
i dont either.

i normally flatten out the edges on sebenzas on an edge pro after they dull a bit.

you should be able to remove the convexing fairly easily on stones.
 
FWIW, I've used a Sharpmaker on every Sebenza I've owned without any issues.
 
I use the Sharpmaker at 40*.

Some people swear by a strop, I don't. Some day I might, right now I find the Sharpmaker works great. Zero issues using it with the factory edge. As mentioned it is slightly convex when you get it.
 
I just want to mention that the sharpmaker is a awesome tool for sharpening knives. I have spent the last 10 years perfecting my sharpening skills. I had a sharpmaker and it worked fine for me. I like the strop because it takes less than 5 micron of the blade. for such a expensive knife I don't want to take any more life from it than I have to. I Have tried every sharpening technique there is in the course of 10 years. I have found that sharpening and honing is 2 different things. if your edge has a lot of chips in it, than you want to sharpen followed honing on a strop. if you want to just maintain your edge than you just hone. a lot of people criticize chris reeve from going to from the
bg42 steel to the s30v and how he heat treats the steel. In my opinion he made a smart choice because the more harder the steel is the more chances for chipping the edge. the steel he uses is perfect, it is not too hard and not too soft. The samurai new this process, that is why their swords are the best in the world.
 
SuzukiGS750EZ said:
I've been looking at some CRK knives lately and i've narrowed it down to a large sebenza or an umnumzaan. My question is, which pivot system is more of a work horse? Other than the pivot, what are the major differences between the two?
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Go to the Hinderer website and read Ricks comments on the design of the XM-18, the end of the first paragraph in particular.

The Umnumzaan design is the same as Strider and Hinderer for that reason.
 
Not trying to talk you into an XM-18.

I'm pointing out the main design difference between the Seb and 'Zaan like you asked.

Only you can decide if this design feature is important to your needs.
 
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