Sebenza flicking

stabman said:
Thumb flicking is totally fine.

If you want to do full-arm "Thwacks!!!" like a human clay pigeon thrower, well, two things:
1) You look like an idiot.
2) Just man-up and buy a new knife if you screw it up while looking like an idiot. ;)
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This.
 
grownstar said:
Thank you for the genius Signs reference lol!
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I'm far, far away from being a genius but thank you. ;):thumbup:

G. Scott H. said:
I don't own a Sebenza, but it should be no different from any other knife. Flipping it open with your thumb with just enough force to get it fully open shouldn't cause any harm, but you don't want to violently wrist flick it with all your might like Czechmate's bro in law. :D As far as I know, this is what causes warranty issues too, not normal thumb flipping.
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The knife did make a neat sound opening that hard; like a gun going off - THWACK!...

I could see this sort of hard opening causing the liner or framelock (if those are the folders being used) moving over to the non-locking side which would eventually lead to 100% lockup; potentially even overtravel and then failure in the case of a liner as it may move beyond the blade's tang.

With titanium it would hit 100% lockup and deform/wear to the point where there's lockrock... Yay! :rolleyes::foot:


I saw some commentary years ago from Sal Glesser regarding folding knife lockup and influence/behaviour of different materials (looking at similar hardness materials, or in some cases the same material being used for the lockbar VS blade) but do you think I could remember where to find it LOL? :confused::o:thumbdn:
 
Cutlover said:
I was under the impression that the Sebenza is popular due to its excellent craftsmanship (that would be the seling point, and people claim its the best knife ever, all that). I must say though, I really don't know if full force flicking a Sebenza for even 2 hours would cause any sort of performance impairment. I have a hard time believeing that hardened steel and titanium could fail just like that, but my lack of experience is evident. Everything has a lifespan, but the effect of flicking a knife feels like it wouldn't affect it significantly.
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Really? What about your frequent claims that all framelock lock bars can be bent "like paperclips" "by small children"? Backing off that claim?
 
Cutlover said:
I also wasn't aware that the sebenza specifically states it should not be flicked, guess that nullifies the gun analogy.
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It's always nice to know facts before jumping in and saying things. It's why the 2nd post in this thread has links. Because this has been done over and over before.

Chris Reeve did not design the knife to be flicked. And as much as people think it people think it is...it isn't.

And doesn't mean it has a picky warranty, or issues, or Chris Reeve is "protecting" himself. It means the knife was not designed to be flicked.

If he wanted to design a knife that could be flicked he is more than capable of it. But it seems he wanted to build a tool people use to cut with and not a toy for people to play with.

But...facts....good to know....they save one from showing their inexperience.
 
marcinek said:
claims that all framelock lock bars can be bent "like paperclips" "by small children"?
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FWIW, on some framelocks I've had disassembled I was able to bend the lock bar quite a bit to the point where it either increased or decreased pressure dramatically... Mostly ones with thin cutouts and I'm not a small child so... ;):thumbup:

marcinek said:
Chris Reeve did not design the knife to be flicked. And as much as people think it people think it is...it isn't.

And doesn't mean it has a picky warranty, or issues, or Chris Reeve is "protecting" himself. It means the knife was not designed to be flicked.
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:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

Neither my 21 nor my Ti-Lock could be flicked open and I'm okay with that. :thumbup: But for the O.K.F (Obsessive Knife Flickers) this would be seen as a design flaw I guess. ;):foot:
 
I still do not know, nor care to know, how or why to flick open a knife. Just open it like a regular human being.
 
use knives for what they are designed for.also not made for batoning wood or throwing so that would void the warranty.
 
Czechmate said:
Neither my 21 nor my Ti-Lock could be flicked open and I'm okay with that. :thumbup: But for the O.K.F (Obsessive Knife Flickers) this would be seen as a design flaw I guess. ;):foot:
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Just because a Ford Ranger can't pull as much as a F350 doesn't mean that there is an inherit design flaw, you just have the wrong model. If you want to obsessively flick knives, a flipper or an Axis lock would do better and also be more fun. ;)

I analogize flicking a Sebenza to the brakes on a car. Sure, you can slam on your breaks a lot and it probably wont harm them to much. Though, over time they will most certainly wear down quicker than if you just eased on them in most instances and only slam on them when necessary. YMMV
 
benchwarmer380 said:
If you want to obsessively flick knives, a flipper or an Axis lock would do better and also be more fun. ;)
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From another forum, random user, from some time ago:

Well, for reference, my Mini Griptilian lock mechanism broke after probably 1,000 of these hard flick open/closed motions (it used to be a boredom habit during work). After Benchmade fixed it (for free, of course - with a sharpen), I tend to open with a slow thumb motion. I still usually snap it closed using the old method. So my answer is - keep this habit to a minimum, but Benchmade will fix whatever breaks for free for life, I believe.

No need for a car analogy; these are knives we're talking about. Nothing on them could really be considered a consumable; unlike a car's brakes, tires or oil etc. etc...

I suspect there's quite a few unrecorded instances of people creating bladeplay or outright breaking their knives due to hard openings; it just that they don't do a write-up on it.

They quietly send em in for warranty service instead... ;):rolleyes::foot::thumbdn: (I'm not advocating this behaviour in the slightest. )
 
Czechmate said:
Neither my 21 nor my Ti-Lock could be flicked open and I'm okay with that. :thumbup: But for the O.K.F (Obsessive Knife Flickers) this would be seen as a design flaw I guess. ;):foot:
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Precisely! And that is the part of the thing I don't understand. There seems to be this assumption that "If a knife is not designed to my likes, it's design is flawed."

That assumption is nonsense, in my opinion. I don't like tanto blades. But I don't think a folder with a tanto blade has a design flaw.

Its all through this thread...the feeling from the flicker/flippers that Chris Reeve did something "wrong."

No he didn't. He didn't do something that some people like. That's it.

It's like saying that, since the Sebenza doesn't come standard with oosic scales, it has a design flaw.
 
marcinek said:
Its all through this thread...the feeling from the flicker/flippers that Chris Reeve did something "wrong."

No he didn't. He didn't do something that some people like. That's it.

It's like saying that, since the Sebenza doesn't come standard with oosic scales, it has a design flaw.
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I agree and also think that an oosic/oosik scaled sebenza (seen it spelled both ways :foot:) would make for a fine knife LOL. ;):thumbup::D
 
I meant that the rate of wear could be mitigated or exacerbated by the user.

I'd put myself in the group of folks you mention. I've had an Omega spring break on a 710. Flicked it a ton. Still locked up fine afterwards though of course it wasn't the same.
I've also had the TI liner lock on my Emerson wear in to the point that there is now blade play. Completely my fault as it was my first quality knife and I waved it and wrist flicked it a bunch too. Live and learn.
 
benchwarmer380 said:
I meant that the rate of wear could be mitigated by the user.

I'd put myself in the group of folks you mention. I've had an Omega spring break on a 710. Flicked it a ton. Still locked up fine afterwards though of course it wasn't the same.
I've also had the TI liner lock on my Emerson wear in to the point that there is now blade play. Completely my fault as it was my first quality knife and I waved it and wrist flicked it a bunch too. Live and learn.
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Yes, sorry if my post sounded harsh; I dislike car analogies for knives LOL... ;)
 
marcinek said:
It's always nice to know facts before jumping in and saying things. It's why the 2nd post in this thread has links. Because this has been done over and over before.

Chris Reeve did not design the knife to be flicked. And as much as people think it people think it is...it isn't.

And doesn't mean it has a picky warranty, or issues, or Chris Reeve is "protecting" himself. It means the knife was not designed to be flicked.

If he wanted to design a knife that could be flicked he is more than capable of it. But it seems he wanted to build a tool people use to cut with and not a toy for people to play with.

But...facts....good to know....they save one from showing their inexperience.
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This :thumbup:
 
marcinek said:
Oosic always improves a knife!
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LOL! Awesome.

I saw an oosic handled fixed blade at the last knife show I went to; it sold surprisingly fast.

Here is a pic:

17" overall length... Size matters. :thumbup::D;):rolleyes:

oosik-bowie.jpg

oosik-warrior-1.jpg




Anyway, back to Seb flicking... :foot:
 
^^wow what a scumbag move!^^

I have owned 4 seb 21's and one umnumzaan I do on occasion flick them open but just enough to get them open. I don't swing for the fences and put my shoulder out of place... just a thumb flick.

I have never seen any signs of abnormal wear.

Just use discretion. I think these knives can take a fair bit of abuse, but I bet it doesn't feel good to find lock rock on your sebbie.
 
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